Britain The Soft Touch!

[SeymourGuado]

New labour is all but finished after 3 political scandals in less than 1 week. The one I want to concentrate on is the one which I am at a loss to explain.

I have wrote before on just how bad my country is on crime but this story takes the biscuit and just when things could not get any worse, they did!

1023 known foreign criminals, including rapists, murders and the like have been released back into the public over a 6 year period instead of being deported. The chance of now finding even a fraction of them is near impossible, deporting even more so. The home secretary knew of the blunder, so his job is over

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4946566.stm

But what does he care? It won't be him getting murdered, raped or burgled by a brutal criminal it will be some poor unlucky sod who gets it.

Not happy with being useless at deporting full stop, we went 1 step further and let them loose into our general public... over 200 of the 1023 criminals are failed asylum seekers.

A staggering statistic: "The prison service is already straining under an increase in home grown criminals placed in custody, but a shocking one in eight prisoners is a foreign citizen, 10,256 out of a total 76,670."

Thats the official figure.

This week also in the news "Murderer rapes boy, gets life in jail"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4946644.stm

Sorry? Am I missing something? What the hell was he doing out of jail if he murdered? Why didn't he get the death sentance or life in the first place?

Thanks to the luntatic liberals running my country, criminals get out early and reoffend!

When will we all wake up! A criminal who perpetrates an offense should be PUNISHED accordingly

Executed is the way I feel is best, followed by life meaning life. Unfortunately the man "getting life" for his latest crime means he may well be out again in less than 30 years.

That is Britain for you! CRAP!

People who oppose life meaning life and executions should hang their heads in shame, because of them a BOY has been raped and this happens here in 1 way or another on atleast a weekly basis!!!

Anyone else got a take on this?

[SeymourGuado]

This may be come my personal rant page.

Believe it or not after all that I have said again and again my country's lunatics have once again gone one better (worse).

I didn't think it was possible but believe me when I say that this is becoming too serious to be a joke! Its amazing...I wish I could thump the judge responsible. But don't take anything away from my useless government either, afterall if they would repeal the Human rights Act (Criminals Come First Act, CCFA) and modify it we wouldn't be in this mess.

Read all about my barmy country here! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Britain for Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee weeeeeeeeeeeee weeeeee weeeeeeeeeeee lets all be nuttyeeeeeeeeeeee

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4757523.stm

In other news: Come to britain where 17 life sentances translates as "no less than 30 years". Yes SEVENTEEN HUMAN LIFE SENTANCES = SEVENTEEN LIFE SENTANCES OF A BIRD weeeeeeeeeeeeee lets all be loonyeeeeeeeeeeee

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/o...re/4756905.stm

[Locke]

Wow, the first story is just... wow that's a bad Justice official.

The second.. That guy is completely bonkers. I wonder if they meant no more then 30 years for each of the 17 or if it was 30 years total

[SeymourGuado]

I am afraid to say in my country hardly anybody gets real life. So the story is completely true.

[SeymourGuado]

Well the same lame line arrives "Lessons have be learned" but guess what...they never are and never will.

You see after the 7/7 attrocities here in britain you'd think that we would be looking at the real reason many muslim youths in this country sympathise with the bombers and worse, plan to take up arms also.

Sadly my country is a Politically Correct sess-pitt where if the truth hurts you avoid it.

The real reason for the fact we have ghettos rife here and other anomalies with the "ethnic minorities" is that there is no form of integration.

Today on ITV news I sank into my couch as I heard the reporter say "What makes these people who look, sound and act like the rest of us..take up arms against the country they were born and raised in"

WELL let me explain it to you, you short sighted Tit. The ethnic minorities DON'T look like us, they wear different clothes for a start off. They DON'T sound like us, they speak Urdu on the whole and their own native languages. They DON'T act like us. They support their ancestral counties of origin in games (like football), foreign policy and everything else under the sun.

They show no sign of integration and wanting integration, they have their own religions and ideologies and 60% in a recent poll want it forced onto the general public of the UK if neccessary.

So, before we start blaming the intelligence service- liberal lying media, lets start looking at the TRUTH

The Lies in full>>>>

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4757915.stm

[SeymourGuado]

4 animal rights grave robbers who harrassed a group of people lending support to animal testing were jailed. 2 of them for 12 years EACH.

Now I have come to the conclusion that although drastic, this country has gone too far with animal testing and so radical though it was, I lend most of my support to the robbers. YUP I am glad they did it. Fed up with never being listened to they decided to go radical and had the guinea pig farm shutdown through fear.

Why? Because fear was the only way! So I sallute them. Sadly...the government and law makers decided that an example had to be made and therefore sent very harsh sentences to them.

What did this tell me? Well, considering that the maximum sentence in this country for killing someone whilst driving (dangerously and all) is 2 years in jail and that full blown murderers are likely to be out in 5, I'd say it tells me a normal life is worth diddly squat to this country's establishment. Yes they should have been jailed for how far they went but 12 years! come on!

Murder an innocent civilian and get a light sentence, go radical and force an animal breeding centre to be closed and you'll get 12 years.

yeah....that makes sense

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...re/4762481.stm

[SeymourGuado]

Britain the lunatic asylum strikes again. Yeah we love our murderers and rapists. As we don't want or can't seem to punish them effectively we decide to let them serve half sentences again and again in cosy prisons.

Then one day they get out and instead of rape they go one further until they reach full blown murder and dismemberment.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4985468.stm

Unfortunately as said, Mr. John McGrady wouldn't have been killing and mutilating anyone had he not been let out of jail early multiple times for these crimes (liberal BBC doesn't seem to want us to know his shady past):

http://www.ligali.org/article.php?id=443

If only he would have been executed or put away forever in the first place, then we would have victims unhurt and 1 still alive!

Thanks Britain's liberals! Another point for you, wooo-whoooooo.

IT IS TOO LATE TO JAIL HIM FOR FULL-LIFE NOW, HE HAS MURDERED. TOO LATE! Talk about closing the gate after the cows have escaped....man what morons are governing this country...what MORONS!

Seifer Almasy

[Charon]

The thing in Britain is that people are no longer afraid to break the law. I propose a 4 sentence justice system.
Minor crime, and I mean minor, a fine.
Slightly more serious crime, jail.
Theft/robbery etc and above - Public Whipping.
Rape/murder/drink driving etc - Death by hanging.

That will do me fine, should drop the crime rates massively. And there'll be a change in jails, no tvs, none of that crap. You go to jail you get upo, you excercise, you work, you excercise you sleep. That's it. Dull, monotonous shit. And a sentence is a sentence, who cares if you behave well, shouldn;t have broken the law in the first place.

Until people are scared to commit a crime for fear of retribution Britain will just steadily decline. The government gets so wound up in trying to protect the human rights of the prisoners they forget to worry about OUR human rights. How about the right to not have a rapist released from jail who promptly rapes and kills a 15 year old girl, that might be a good start. If you break the law, that shoudl be the end of your human rights there. You f**ked up, big time, and now you have to pay.

You only need go to a store and pick up a copy of FHM (For Him Magazine) and turn to the letters page, there's always a few prison letters. Well, call me old fashioned, but what the f**k are prisoners doing writing to magazines? They shouldn't have those magazines let alone be allowed to write to them. They should be too busy working hard to try and cover the cost of keeping their GODDAMNED USELESS arses in jail so us innocent folk don't have to.

I think it's disgusting, I've seen cells in the paper that look more comfortable than my bloody house. Recently a prison in London I thnk spent like 100'000 pounds of taxpayers money....on computers for the inmates! WTF? It's madness. There has to be a line drawn. And don't even let me get started on the prisoners we recently "accidentally" released.

And I'm not done yet. I have to leap on Seymour for his animal rights comment. We have seen only recently how horribly wrong human trials can go, animal testing is a logical idea. Huntington life sciences do a damn good job, sure maybe the government should look into how the animals are treated, but that doesn't give people the right to take the law into their own hands. That's not how our justice system works and neither should it be. Those animal rights protesters SHOULD be locked up.

I'll rant more another time.

[SeymourGuado]

You just went up about 100 points on my cool list charon Seriously that is exactly how I feel...

There is 1 human rights nutter in particular that annoys me, she is the director of Liberty "Shami Chakrabarti" or something like that. She is far the most naive, blind and all-for-the-criminal idiot I have ever ever seen...I don't even know if shes for real she is that bad.

Of course you are right, the reason we get crime is because there is no deterrent. Low Crime is directly proportionate to the punishement handed down for offences and to argue otherwise is a silly and pointless thing.

Again you are right about the holiday-jails we have. Immigrants especially who come here and commit a crime are more than happy to go to jail because jail is a treasure island compared to the life they just left behind.

If anyone raped or murdered one of my family members, belive me I would get them back. No 5 year jail sentence (and usually less due to ridiculous parole) would make me happy. I would find some way of handing out the death sentence myself. I don't buy that nonsense "that makes you as bad as them" I just say, the courts didn't hand out punishement, so I did. How many people the little bastard gonna rape and murder now?

About the human trials though, if anything it shows just how bad animal testing is for being conclusive in being safe for humans. That drug(s) had been tested on animals but still the human test subjects nearly died. I am all for cutting the level. And testing for cosmetics purposes is pure and simple wrong....If we want to be vain we should undergo the tests ourselves

That was a refreshing post and one of the best I have read for a long time.

Seifer Almasy

[Charon]

Oh of course I'm with you on the cosmetics. That's not what I mean when I say I'm Pro Animal Testing, I'm more on about medicines and things like that that will just help us improve life in general.
See I told you it wasn't your views causing any beef. :P We think alike, the difference is just the way you say it. These lengthy posts are a winner by the way, I haven't posted like this since the old site.

As for the family members thing, I too would be tempted to take the law upon myself there. It's a tough situation and you brought to my mind that I was wrong when I said people shouldn't take the law ito their own hands. Whilst I strongly beleive that is the case 99% of times I think there are certain scenarios when one must assume one's own lawful responsibility.
Example, Tony Martin I think his name was. The British farmer. Two youths broke into his farmhouse and robbed it during the night. He heard them and chased them outside, eventually shooting one of them in the back with a shotgun and killing him. He got sent to prison. Disgusting. The guy should get a medal for defending his property so well. As mentioned in my previous rant, they robbed his house, in my eyes their human rights end there. If someone breaks in your house the law should be on your side, not that of the filthy crackhead scumbag who's stealing the shit YOU had to work your ass off to afford. Criminals should be punished, swiftly and harshly. And it's not just us, look at America. I mean WTF is Saddam doing still on trial? Hang the b*****d. On the news he's just making a mockery of everything. When asked how he pleaded, guilty or not guilty, he went on a 10 minute ramble about how it's impossible to answer either way. Talk about blatant stalling. He's guilty, everyone knows he guilty. Just hang him, get it over with. The war cost you enough, don't keep paying for this man to live out of your people's money. ¬¬ Are you happy paying your taxes so he can talk bol***ks in a courtroom all day? Cos I wouldn't be. I'd be more than happy to pay for a gallows, some rope and a hangman though.

*lobs the ball to Seymour*

All yours pal.

[SeymourGuado]

*catches the ball*

Agreed, agreed, agreed and agreed...

Tony Martin was 1 guy who showed how it is supposed to be done. If the british government knew that everyone would do that if pushed they would make certain of better sentences, scared that someone like him would come along and do their "job" for them.

The media were disgusting too, the onus was on condeming him rather than congratulating him but public opinion was way, way on his side. The one who escaped being shot was I believe, a drug dealer. Not long after he was back in jail. Useless bastard wasn't in long it seems because just round the corner the BBC (was it BBC or ITV?) was paying thousands for "his story".

So there you go. Be a no good 'smack head' , be an arsehole, cause a nationwide stir and you get a few thousand for your trouble. Better yet, whilst being a convicted rapist serving a lax sentence out on "Day Release" buy a lottery ticket and WIN..yeah, when you get out you have a few million! Sadly its no sick joke, it's what happened:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3557372.stm

Oh yeah, just thought I would mention, he was serving a "life sentence" previously. Hmm life ey? so why is he out?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/3555308.stm

I hear something..."CUCKOO CUCKOO britain is bonkers CUCKOO." For an island as small as this, there sure is a whole loada incredible shit goin' on ey.


I know the kind of MINDLESS thugs that invaded the poor guys property, I lived on one of the worst estates (possibly THE worst) in Rochdale. They have no morals, no minds of their own, no remorse for anything, no ambition or drive. I just wish they would die sooner instead of terrorising and making other decent peoples lives a complete misery.

On that particular estate my room was demolished and burgled by the way My front door (made of reinforced wood) to the house had a rectangular hole axed out of it (yes AXED out at about 1-3 PM in broad daylight whilst my mum was at work and I at school!). Of course noone said anything, too scared that they would be the next knife attack common to the awful estate.

On saddam, it is pretty clear that he is guilty, its not as if the trial will accomplish anything. Muslims arent bothered on the whole about our justice system. Most of Iraqis want their own Shia law so this solves nothing other than giving that wanker a platform to preach and take the piss. In this case he should be hung with immediate effect.

There was a similar case, was it general Pinochet? I forget. War criminal anyway, was on trial so long that in the end he died, evading any sort of punishment and laughing all the way to the grave. The kind of idiots running around protecting criminals "human rights" are to blame for MANY of the ills in our country Charon as you know. Blind bastards should be the only ones that feel the effect of their barmy polices then maybe they wouldn't be so enthusiastic about protecting people other than the victim.

Of course it's the namby-pamby liberal ideologists that never seem to get any kind of ill treatment. They are usually super rich, live in a nice area of low or next-to-none crime and therefore are naive fruit cakes. Living a cushy life is what makes most of the liberals...liberals. Dump them in Newbold, Rochdale, GM for a few days haha that would be one reality TV show I WOULD watch!

I forsee a day when it gets so bad people turn on these useless governments we have in power. So far people seem happy to go from conservative back to labour (of course with our ridiculous non-democratic 'First Past The Post' voting system in action) without even questioning why things never seem to change on the whole.

I voted BNP at the last election and I had no guilt about doing it. I have realised that even if the party is racist (which I am not too sure about) atleast they stand for true britishness and better still they really do make the BBC and the "Main 3" sit up and take notice. Scared shitless half the time they are...that cannot be a bad thing. The media portryal of the BNP is bad, always bad and wrong. If they truly are racist then why not engage them in conversation? Nick Griffin, whom I met a month or two back, has asked BBC countless times to appear on 'BBC Question Time" but...no.

So I as you can see, I have had just about enough of my country ignoring the people and even influencing voting. I want change and the only way is to get these no-good do-gooders OUT OF OFFICE!

I appreciate that people, maybe even you Charon, may not like (or understand?) me voting for ther BNP but atleast a vote for them is a vote that is heard

I think I am getting better at structuring sentences (none prison kind hehe) etc...this is good practice for my novel

[Locke]

While I might not agree with everything that you guy's have been saying, I definently agree that if someone is trespassing and you shoot them, it's you right. As long as you are give them some warning, probly along the lines of "Drop the stuff or I shoot", then it's fair game. That's completely ridiculous that he got charged with murder. Makes me glad I'm over here in Canada, where we can still shoot trespassers.

[Charon]

*dribbles the ball past Locke*

Slam Dunk.

Locke, pulic outcry got him released very fast, but not fast enough for the majority. It led to a slight reform in British Law, giving the homeowner more power to protect his own home. We are now allowed to use Reasonable Force. :P Meaning, you can club someone in the face with a abseball bat if your life is in danger from them, well, pretty much. Labour aren't completely useless.

And now Seymour.

Life should be life, right on. None of this getting let out business.
Rochdale huh? Well that explains it, Manchester is a hive of crime, no wonder we share so many views. Don't suppose you hate Chavs and the Homeless too?

As for the BNP. I think they as a party are racist. And that upsets me. But at the same time I am also aware that not all their followers are. My friend Rob was a very sane person and not racist in the slightest, but he too felt he had more in common with the BNP than Labour or Tory. And it's true, like most parties they do have their good points. They are things they would do certain ways that would be benefecial to Britain. It's just a shame they are so OTT with regards to the Non-White Non-English community. I personally chose not to vote. I see no point giving one party the edge over another for no reason. I like Labour but can see their many faults, I hate Tory yet admit they could make Britain stronger and probably reduce crime, and the BNP, well, you kow my issue with them, Any other parties are inconsequential as they will never acheive enough votes for mine to count either way. :P Let's face it, there's no danger of Lib-Dem winning. Lol.

*sends the ball through Locke's legs back to Seymour*

[SeymourGuado]

That extra power was actually a gimmick the wording was slightly changed but the law was essentially already in place The full powers Blair wanted were watered down because of opposition I believe (think the useless interfering Lords again! They have GOT TO GO).

Of course the Criminal Rights brigade were beside themselves with jubilation!

Yeah I do dislike Chavs. The homeless are an annoyance that I ignore. Now and again I may give them a sandwich or something but on the whole it is clear to see the majority are scrounging for drug money and none of them are truly homeless in the slightest (In Rochdale/Manchester anyway).

The ones I hate are the gits that come up to you saying "got 20p please mate for the phonebox" well guess what, thats old now, BT put it up to 30p so stop lying. Them 20p's just keep on getting asked for!

*Tries to chip ball over Locke but who did the ball fall to?* (i am playing soccer...haha)

[Charon]

The Lords, pffft. They rejected the Euthanasia thing a few days ago despite so many people behind it.

And you're right about the homeless in Manchester. Working in a shop I get to the see where exactly your money goes. And don't buy them food, they do come in and try to swap it back for alcohol. That is when they're not stealing. And the regulars often go through spates of using a crutch. Ever seen a tramp with a crutch? You know why they have that? Cos the veins in their legs have collapsed under such heavy intravenous drug use. Don't pity them, kick them.

[Geosgaeno]

Totally agree about these homeless suckers. A few of them may be really stuck for money etc, but the majority arnt even poor, me and Seymour saw one (the 20p guy) scrounging for spair change outside the snooker hall, and the next week we went down and he was dressed up getting into a car with his girlfriend (who is another waste of oxygen), i cant see him getting loads of 20p's to make him as rich as that in a week....can you?

and im sick of walking past the sal doss in the mornings (a doss house where all the nobs live), all i here is "got a cigy mate" "got a light fella".....no just go away and stop hassling me, find a corner and die you drugged up crack heads. Just looking at these idiots makes me wonder why they arnt in prison, because you can tel that they belong there.

sick of it

[Locke]

Hmmm, looking at this thread makes me think... do you guys do anything but rant and complain about England? It's your country, I'm sure there must be some good things it's doing. Yeah, there's down sides to it, but there's up sides too I'm sure...

[Geosgaeno]

no upsides im affraid Locke, absolutely none.

me and Seymour have just been approached by a guy i would love to shoot, we were just walking peacefully and talking, and he comes in our faces and does some sarcastic laugh, i stared at him and just said to him "what a weirdo", then he starts ranting "im gonna knock you out gonna get ya" etc etc, still looking at him at this point and just said "go home you savage crack head".

Now thats why England is a jolly old dump, i hate people like the person im talking about, they dont really provoke me because i just whack em in the face if they tried to physically assualt me, but tell me what is the point of trying to cause the trouble in the first place, couldnt he just walk past and say nothing like a normal person, these people will try to cause trouble if they lived on the other side of the galaxy.

once again....SICK OF IT

[SeymourGuado]

I am afraid its beyond ranting now...its to the point where I hope they die.

There are so many downsides to our culture like what geosgaeno said that the positives are irrelevant. Look at all the true stories I have added here already and that is less than 1% of them.

If you lived here in Rochdale Locke you would be ranting too believe

Seifer Almasy

[Charon]

Originally Posted by Locke

Hmmm, looking at this thread makes me think... do you guys do anything but rant and complain about England? It's your country, I'm sure there must be some good things it's doing. Yeah, there's down sides to it, but there's up sides too I'm sure...

Not to point out the bleeding obvious, but this thread is about Britain's shortcomings, not it's good points. Of course there are good things about Britain. However bad things always make for more conversation than good things, feel free to start a "Britain Rocks" thread and I'll give the flip side of the rant. But in the mean time, :P