Terri Schiavo's Death

Marona · 03-31-2005, 02:37 PM

To me it seems it was right for her to die now.What is crazy is the parents still on the feud.

Since I talked with iceburner and my mom,I knew it was right for her to die because she was already dead.Her brain was already damage.

Parents can't let go of the ones they love.That is why the parents are on the feud still i think.

"The ones who want her to die are getting their wish..."

Maybe theres something to that...

tanisthalon · 03-31-2005, 02:40 PM

Sometimes letting go is the hardest thing anyone can ever go through. My heart and thoughts are with the parents, but as you mentioned and in addition I believe it was the kindest action taken by her husband.

bjp4444 · 03-31-2005, 02:43 PM

yeah, i sorta agree. if that is what she wanted, then they should let her go. she'll be in a better place, and they should be happy that any suffering she was occuring is now over.

just reminds you, that at any age, you better let everyone close to you know exactly what you want for yourself in case of tragedy. i'm only 25, and i'm working on my living will. no age is too young.

-bjp

Vidus · 03-31-2005, 03:08 PM

This is one of those situations where it helps to understand the case when you imagine yourself at the same situation. If I would be in her situation, would I make the same decision as she did. I honestly hope that her husband made the final decision because he loved her so much and I believe he did.

Geosgaeno · 03-31-2005, 05:14 PM

im not in the daylight on this topic but i only know a few bits and bats, from the news reports and all, i think it was best to end the suffering and let the person in question die. hopefully in the near future the family will realise it was the correct thing to do. wasnt she being fed from a tube and then they disconnected it and that is how she eventuaslly died?, i dont believe it is right to keep a dead person alive its too artificial for my liking it isnt as if they are gonna make a recovery.

Grey Fox · 03-31-2005, 05:17 PM

I find it simply amazing that abortion is tolerated but keeping someone in a zombie state for years is acceptable also.

Surely abortion is worse as it is denying somebody (mainly healthy) the chance to life in the first place....

This woman should be able to die or abortion should be illegal also.

To have both is a blatant liberal load of horseshit

bjp4444 · 03-31-2005, 06:50 PM

i said something, then decided it didn't make sense. totally disregard this.

-bjp

Lord Draud · 03-31-2005, 08:36 PM

she was brain dead, her cognitive centers of teh brain where mush, they should have let that bag of fleash die 10 years ago after it was quite aparent she would never get better, at least for an abortion the baby never reachs cognitive though, in the t\end the baby fetus had nothing to lose cause it was not a person ( i consider a person a being with memorys and expreainces that define it as a human not as a peice of living flesh that responds to stimulus) but she had a life and then it ended she was not teh person she was and thus she was already dead i feel sick that for 15 years this body was kept animate because her parents wanted to reemember her....

Locke Cole · 03-31-2005, 08:39 PM

It is sad to see anyone die, but I too believe it was the right thing to do. If I was in a state where I could not recover, I would want the same. I do not wish to live like that. Its sad to hear the extremes people are willing to go to over the situation, her husband has had death threads, people at the children's school shouting "murderers", their life has been ruined because the media so blantly exploited this. This should have been a private situation, I think it was wrong to make it a world debate.

I wish the best for the family now that this has passed.

Ephraim · 03-31-2005, 09:57 PM

Seems the poll is unanimous - 10 for, 0 against.

Speaking personally, if I were in that state, I would not wish my family to have to care for me like that, it's an exercise in futility. If I'm going to die, let me die.

bjp4444 · 03-31-2005, 10:41 PM

basically what i was trying to say in my previous post was that i was very angry at the conservatives in congress and our president here in america for sticking their noses into a family matter, even though most polls would show that approx. 70% of Americans don't believe they should have done so. perhaps if they (and the prez's brother, the gov. of FLA) would have stayed out of it, the press coverage would have quieted down sooner, and this could have stayed smaller and personal. as of now, it's just way out of hand.

also, a lot of those people demonstrating outside the hospice made me sick also. if they were that worried about people in terri's condidtion, they would be outside the hospitals every day, and not just when the cameras are around. sometimes, i wonder if the whole thing is more about the protesters than the protest when it comes to things like this.

didn't try to offend here, if i did, i apologize.
-bjp

Grey Fox · 03-31-2005, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locke Cole

It is sad to see anyone die, but I too believe it was the right thing to do. If I was in a state where I could not recover, I would want the same. I do not wish to live like that. Its sad to hear the extremes people are willing to go to over the situation, her husband has had death threads, people at the children's school shouting "murderers", their life has been ruined because the media so blantly exploited this. This should have been a private situation, I think it was wrong to make it a world debate.

I wish the best for the family now that this has passed.

Death threads? Here on rpgamers I hope not...there are plenty of threads here though....

ok bad joke on a bad topic?

Bjp, sometimes it takes a government to get involved. Personally I think it was right to let her die (although starving her was NOT the way, injection anyone?).

bjp4444 · 03-31-2005, 10:57 PM

well, that's your opinion., in regards to governmental intervention. i really don't think the governement should be telling families if they can let a family member in a permanent vegatative condition die or not, but to each their own.

also, we had someone once who would help people like terri end their lives painlessly and humanely.(although, from all published reports, someone in terri's condition felt no pain anyways, and would not be in pain while going through starvation) his name was Dr. Jack Kevorkian. you know what they did with him? they threw him in jail. for muder, of course.

http://www.courttv.com/casefiles/kevorkian/kevorkian.html

-bjp

ps-i thought your joke was quite funny indeed.

silverDistortioN · 04-01-2005, 02:12 AM

terri was in a persistent vegitative state. there's a subtle difference between PVS and being brain dead. she probably could feel pain.

however, i think it's just as wrong to kill her as it is to force her to live... so i think removing the feeding tube was probably the best way to go. (i'm about 50-50 on whether it was right to remove the feeding tube at all, though. it was more a matter of who should have the power to decide her fate than anything else... but honestly, it wasn't really important enough for me to want to ponder.)

Grey Fox · 04-01-2005, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverDistortioN

terri was in a persistent vegitative state. there's a subtle difference between PVS and being brain dead. she probably could feel pain.

however, i think it's just as wrong to kill her as it is to force her to live... so i think removing the feeding tube was probably the best way to go. (i'm about 50-50 on whether it was right to remove the feeding tube at all, though. it was more a matter of who should have the power to decide her fate than anything else... but honestly, it wasn't really important enough for me to want to ponder.)

Terri would not have wanted to live, nor would any of us. It is the persons right to die. Injection is the same as pulling the feeding tube, the difference is the length of time it takes to die.

How anyone can call starvation humane is beyond me, she should have been put down if you will excuse the nastiness of how it sounds. If I were in the same position and could talk I would tell the protestors trying to keep me alive to go home.

Like I said, If we have abortion we should have her allowed to die. Not both. Its a contadiction (liberals again)

bjp4444 · 04-01-2005, 12:09 PM

well, i just wanted to clarify that i never said that starvation was humane. i was just saying that, from news reports that i read, that she would likely not feel pain in response to it. actually, in most cases similar to terri's, where a tube is removed, patients claim to feel a sense of euphoria right before death.

also, again, it was the conservatives who were trying to keep her alive. both sides actually stayed consistent here (at least when it came to this case). in the US, it stacks up this way in regards to the two issues (this is how it looked to me, i guess):

conservatives: against abortion and against right-to-die
liberals: for abortion and for right-to-die

a then there's me: against most abortion, for right-to-die, and definetly for right-to-eat-cake.....

but more than anything, i would say this has taught us to be open with our families and to let them know what you want in case you can't tell them. i, for example, would want to go if i was in a position where a majority of medical experts said i had no chance to recover. my step-father, on the other hand, has stated there's no was he'd ever want to be taken off the machines. that's why we all need to let eveyone know our wishes, so something like this doesn't happen. but, to each thier own.

peace and love
-bjp

Grey Fox · 04-01-2005, 12:31 PM

In that case I am still with the conservatives. Altough I disagree with Bush on this mostly (I can see this argument both ways), abortion is one of my pet hates. It should stop

(I don't see any reason apart from rape that lets abortion exist, and today its just about slags spreading their legs then wondering why they are pregnant)

Its gone too far and the further it goes the further all this will come back to haunt us. You will see....

Lord Draud · 04-01-2005, 12:47 PM

well thats not true all the time grey, what if the condom broke and you could not in any way provide for the child? rather then stuff it in a over crowded orfanage i think that it should be aloud to die so as to save the family greif. i also thinkthat if the child would be mentaly or phisacly retarted ( or if you prefer disabled that two ) to the point that it could not function in life with out constent help the family should have the ablity to choose, now people would go on and on about if they did that there would be no steffen hawking, and all i have to say is so what? in the end another would have come to take his place in history! the only time ithink that it should be illegal is if the family can take care of it and the woman wahing the child is vain and does not want streach marks of something like that ( its happend and that pisses me off)

silverDistortioN · 04-01-2005, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grey Fox

Terri would not have wanted to live, nor would any of us. It is the persons right to die. Injection is the same as pulling the feeding tube, the difference is the length of time it takes to die.

the difference is the same difference between euthanasia and dying with dignity.

Grey Fox · 04-01-2005, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverDistortioN

the difference is the same difference between euthanasia and dying with dignity.

I may have misingterpreted what you said but are you saying that starving someone to death is a dignified way to kill someone off....you must be joking me!!!!

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03-31-2005, 02:37 PM	#1
Marona Trainer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 689	Terri Schiavo's Death To me it seems it was right for her to die now.What is crazy is the parents still on the feud. Since I talked with iceburner and my mom,I knew it was right for her to die because she was already dead.Her brain was already damage. Parents can't let go of the ones they love.That is why the parents are on the feud still i think. "The ones who want her to die are getting their wish..." Maybe theres something to that... __________________ ~When the storm draws nigh~ ~Dreams will shatter before your eyes~ ~Know that you're not alone~ ~When the battle starts~ ~I will comfort your restless heart~ ~You'll know that you are home~

03-31-2005, 02:40 PM	#2
tanisthalon White Wizard Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,009	Sometimes letting go is the hardest thing anyone can ever go through. My heart and thoughts are with the parents, but as you mentioned and in addition I believe it was the kindest action taken by her husband. __________________

03-31-2005, 02:43 PM	#3
bjp4444 The Walking Paradox White Wizard Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,298	yeah, i sorta agree. if that is what she wanted, then they should let her go. she'll be in a better place, and they should be happy that any suffering she was occuring is now over. just reminds you, that at any age, you better let everyone close to you know exactly what you want for yourself in case of tragedy. i'm only 25, and i'm working on my living will. no age is too young. -bjp __________________ ....without mercy, man is but a beast.

03-31-2005, 03:08 PM	#4
Vidus Bard Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 362	This is one of those situations where it helps to understand the case when you imagine yourself at the same situation. If I would be in her situation, would I make the same decision as she did. I honestly hope that her husband made the final decision because he loved her so much and I believe he did. __________________ One for all and all for one

03-31-2005, 05:14 PM	#5
Geosgaeno Chemist Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In A Planetary System In A Spiral Galaxy, in the middle of somewhere vastly unknown Posts: 1,777	im not in the daylight on this topic but i only know a few bits and bats, from the news reports and all, i think it was best to end the suffering and let the person in question die. hopefully in the near future the family will realise it was the correct thing to do. wasnt she being fed from a tube and then they disconnected it and that is how she eventuaslly died?, i dont believe it is right to keep a dead person alive its too artificial for my liking it isnt as if they are gonna make a recovery. __________________ "I Think i could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self contained, for they do not lie awake in the dark weeping for their sins, for they do not make me sick discussing their duty to God, not one of them leans to another, or to his own kind that lived thousands of years ago, not one of them is respectable or unhappy, all over the Earth"

03-31-2005, 05:17 PM	#6
Grey Fox Banned Thief Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Rochdale up the dale Posts: 94	I find it simply amazing that abortion is tolerated but keeping someone in a zombie state for years is acceptable also. Surely abortion is worse as it is denying somebody (mainly healthy) the chance to life in the first place.... This woman should be able to die or abortion should be illegal also. To have both is a blatant liberal load of horseshit

03-31-2005, 06:50 PM	#7
bjp4444 The Walking Paradox White Wizard Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,298	i said something, then decided it didn't make sense. totally disregard this. -bjp __________________ ....without mercy, man is but a beast. Last edited by bjp4444; 03-31-2005 at 06:54 PM. Reason: soory, my mistake!

03-31-2005, 08:36 PM	#8
Lord Draud Chemist Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Under Locke and Typo, i lurk in the depths like a elder one Posts: 1,745	she was brain dead, her cognitive centers of teh brain where mush, they should have let that bag of fleash die 10 years ago after it was quite aparent she would never get better, at least for an abortion the baby never reachs cognitive though, in the t\end the baby fetus had nothing to lose cause it was not a person ( i consider a person a being with memorys and expreainces that define it as a human not as a peice of living flesh that responds to stimulus) but she had a life and then it ended she was not teh person she was and thus she was already dead i feel sick that for 15 years this body was kept animate because her parents wanted to reemember her.... __________________ A good discussion is like a miniskirt; Short enough to pertain interest and long enough to cover the subject "Religion is the opiate of the masses." -- Karl Marx "Winners don't do drugs." -- The FBI

03-31-2005, 08:39 PM	#9
Locke Cole The Ultimate Lurker White Wizard Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	It is sad to see anyone die, but I too believe it was the right thing to do. If I was in a state where I could not recover, I would want the same. I do not wish to live like that. Its sad to hear the extremes people are willing to go to over the situation, her husband has had death threads, people at the children's school shouting "murderers", their life has been ruined because the media so blantly exploited this. This should have been a private situation, I think it was wrong to make it a world debate. I wish the best for the family now that this has passed. __________________ Forum Patrol - Officers and reporting!

03-31-2005, 09:57 PM	#10
Ephraim Bard Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: the Great White North (Canada) Posts: 313	Seems the poll is unanimous - 10 for, 0 against. Speaking personally, if I were in that state, I would not wish my family to have to care for me like that, it's an exercise in futility. If I'm going to die, let me die.

03-31-2005, 10:41 PM	#11
bjp4444 The Walking Paradox White Wizard Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,298	basically what i was trying to say in my previous post was that i was very angry at the conservatives in congress and our president here in america for sticking their noses into a family matter, even though most polls would show that approx. 70% of Americans don't believe they should have done so. perhaps if they (and the prez's brother, the gov. of FLA) would have stayed out of it, the press coverage would have quieted down sooner, and this could have stayed smaller and personal. as of now, it's just way out of hand. also, a lot of those people demonstrating outside the hospice made me sick also. if they were that worried about people in terri's condidtion, they would be outside the hospitals every day, and not just when the cameras are around. sometimes, i wonder if the whole thing is more about the protesters than the protest when it comes to things like this. didn't try to offend here, if i did, i apologize. -bjp __________________ ....without mercy, man is but a beast.

03-31-2005, 10:57 PM	#13
bjp4444 The Walking Paradox White Wizard Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,298	well, that's your opinion., in regards to governmental intervention. i really don't think the governement should be telling families if they can let a family member in a permanent vegatative condition die or not, but to each their own. also, we had someone once who would help people like terri end their lives painlessly and humanely.(although, from all published reports, someone in terri's condition felt no pain anyways, and would not be in pain while going through starvation) his name was Dr. Jack Kevorkian. you know what they did with him? they threw him in jail. for muder, of course. http://www.courttv.com/casefiles/kevorkian/kevorkian.html -bjp ps-i thought your joke was quite funny indeed. __________________ ....without mercy, man is but a beast.

04-01-2005, 02:12 AM	#14
silverDistortioN Apocalypse Death Squad White Wizard Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Chatsworth, CA Posts: 1,364	terri was in a persistent vegitative state. there's a subtle difference between PVS and being brain dead. she probably could feel pain. however, i think it's just as wrong to kill her as it is to force her to live... so i think removing the feeding tube was probably the best way to go. (i'm about 50-50 on whether it was right to remove the feeding tube at all, though. it was more a matter of who should have the power to decide her fate than anything else... but honestly, it wasn't really important enough for me to want to ponder.) __________________ I did it all for the cookie.

04-01-2005, 12:09 PM	#16
bjp4444 The Walking Paradox White Wizard Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,298	well, i just wanted to clarify that i never said that starvation was humane. i was just saying that, from news reports that i read, that she would likely not feel pain in response to it. actually, in most cases similar to terri's, where a tube is removed, patients claim to feel a sense of euphoria right before death. also, again, it was the conservatives who were trying to keep her alive. both sides actually stayed consistent here (at least when it came to this case). in the US, it stacks up this way in regards to the two issues (this is how it looked to me, i guess): conservatives: against abortion and against right-to-die liberals: for abortion and for right-to-die a then there's me: against most abortion, for right-to-die, and definetly for right-to-eat-cake..... but more than anything, i would say this has taught us to be open with our families and to let them know what you want in case you can't tell them. i, for example, would want to go if i was in a position where a majority of medical experts said i had no chance to recover. my step-father, on the other hand, has stated there's no was he'd ever want to be taken off the machines. that's why we all need to let eveyone know our wishes, so something like this doesn't happen. but, to each thier own. peace and love -bjp __________________ ....without mercy, man is but a beast.

04-01-2005, 12:31 PM	#17
Grey Fox Banned Thief Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Rochdale up the dale Posts: 94	In that case I am still with the conservatives. Altough I disagree with Bush on this mostly (I can see this argument both ways), abortion is one of my pet hates. It should stop (I don't see any reason apart from rape that lets abortion exist, and today its just about slags spreading their legs then wondering why they are pregnant) Its gone too far and the further it goes the further all this will come back to haunt us. You will see....

04-01-2005, 12:47 PM	#18
Lord Draud Chemist Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Under Locke and Typo, i lurk in the depths like a elder one Posts: 1,745	well thats not true all the time grey, what if the condom broke and you could not in any way provide for the child? rather then stuff it in a over crowded orfanage i think that it should be aloud to die so as to save the family greif. i also thinkthat if the child would be mentaly or phisacly retarted ( or if you prefer disabled that two ) to the point that it could not function in life with out constent help the family should have the ablity to choose, now people would go on and on about if they did that there would be no steffen hawking, and all i have to say is so what? in the end another would have come to take his place in history! the only time ithink that it should be illegal is if the family can take care of it and the woman wahing the child is vain and does not want streach marks of something like that ( its happend and that pisses me off) __________________ A good discussion is like a miniskirt; Short enough to pertain interest and long enough to cover the subject "Religion is the opiate of the masses." -- Karl Marx "Winners don't do drugs." -- The FBI

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