Britain The Soft Touch!

[SeymourGuado]

New labour is all but finished after 3 political scandals in less than 1 week. The one I want to concentrate on is the one which I am at a loss to explain.

I have wrote before on just how bad my country is on crime but this story takes the biscuit and just when things could not get any worse, they did!

1023 known foreign criminals, including rapists, murders and the like have been released back into the public over a 6 year period instead of being deported. The chance of now finding even a fraction of them is near impossible, deporting even more so. The home secretary knew of the blunder, so his job is over

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4946566.stm

But what does he care? It won't be him getting murdered, raped or burgled by a brutal criminal it will be some poor unlucky sod who gets it.

Not happy with being useless at deporting full stop, we went 1 step further and let them loose into our general public... over 200 of the 1023 criminals are failed asylum seekers.

A staggering statistic: "The prison service is already straining under an increase in home grown criminals placed in custody, but a shocking one in eight prisoners is a foreign citizen, 10,256 out of a total 76,670."

Thats the official figure.

This week also in the news "Murderer rapes boy, gets life in jail"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/4946644.stm

Sorry? Am I missing something? What the hell was he doing out of jail if he murdered? Why didn't he get the death sentance or life in the first place?

Thanks to the luntatic liberals running my country, criminals get out early and reoffend!

When will we all wake up! A criminal who perpetrates an offense should be PUNISHED accordingly

Executed is the way I feel is best, followed by life meaning life. Unfortunately the man "getting life" for his latest crime means he may well be out again in less than 30 years.

That is Britain for you! CRAP!

People who oppose life meaning life and executions should hang their heads in shame, because of them a BOY has been raped and this happens here in 1 way or another on atleast a weekly basis!!!

Anyone else got a take on this?

[SeymourGuado]

This may be come my personal rant page.

Believe it or not after all that I have said again and again my country's lunatics have once again gone one better (worse).

I didn't think it was possible but believe me when I say that this is becoming too serious to be a joke! Its amazing...I wish I could thump the judge responsible. But don't take anything away from my useless government either, afterall if they would repeal the Human rights Act (Criminals Come First Act, CCFA) and modify it we wouldn't be in this mess.

Read all about my barmy country here! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Britain for Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee weeeeeeeeeeeee weeeeee weeeeeeeeeeee lets all be nuttyeeeeeeeeeeee

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4757523.stm

In other news: Come to britain where 17 life sentances translates as "no less than 30 years". Yes SEVENTEEN HUMAN LIFE SENTANCES = SEVENTEEN LIFE SENTANCES OF A BIRD weeeeeeeeeeeeee lets all be loonyeeeeeeeeeeee

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/4756905.stm

[Locke]

Wow, the first story is just... wow that's a bad Justice official.

The second.. That guy is completely bonkers. I wonder if they meant no more then 30 years for each of the 17 or if it was 30 years total :wonder:

[SeymourGuado]

I am afraid to say in my country hardly anybody gets real life. So the story is completely true.

[SeymourGuado]

Well the same lame line arrives "Lessons have be learned" but guess what...they never are and never will.

You see after the 7/7 attrocities here in britain you'd think that we would be looking at the real reason many muslim youths in this country sympathise with the bombers and worse, plan to take up arms also.

Sadly my country is a Politically Correct sess-pitt where if the truth hurts you avoid it.

The real reason for the fact we have ghettos rife here and other anomalies with the "ethnic minorities" is that there is no form of integration.

Today on ITV news I sank into my couch as I heard the reporter say "What makes these people who look, sound and act like the rest of us..take up arms against the country they were born and raised in"

WELL let me explain it to you, you short sighted Tit. The ethnic minorities DON'T look like us, they wear different clothes for a start off. They DON'T sound like us, they speak Urdu on the whole and their own native languages. They DON'T act like us. They support their ancestral counties of origin in games (like football), foreign policy and everything else under the sun.

They show no sign of integration and wanting integration, they have their own religions and ideologies and 60% in a recent poll want it forced onto the general public of the UK if neccessary.

So, before we start blaming the intelligence service- liberal lying media, lets start looking at the TRUTH

The Lies in full>>>>

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4757915.stm

[SeymourGuado]

4 animal rights grave robbers who harrassed a group of people lending support to animal testing were jailed. 2 of them for 12 years EACH.

Now I have come to the conclusion that although drastic, this country has gone too far with animal testing and so radical though it was, I lend most of my support to the robbers. YUP I am glad they did it. Fed up with never being listened to they decided to go radical and had the guinea pig farm shutdown through fear.

Why? Because fear was the only way! So I sallute them. Sadly...the government and law makers decided that an example had to be made and therefore sent very harsh sentences to them.

What did this tell me? Well, considering that the maximum sentence in this country for killing someone whilst driving (dangerously and all) is 2 years in jail and that full blown murderers are likely to be out in 5, I'd say it tells me a normal life is worth diddly squat to this country's establishment. Yes they should have been jailed for how far they went but 12 years! come on!

Murder an innocent civilian and get a light sentence, go radical and force an animal breeding centre to be closed and you'll get 12 years.

yeah....that makes sense

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/4762481.stm

[SeymourGuado]

Britain the lunatic asylum strikes again. Yeah we love our murderers and rapists. As we don't want or can't seem to punish them effectively we decide to let them serve half sentences again and again in cosy prisons.

Then one day they get out and instead of rape they go one further until they reach full blown murder and dismemberment.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4985468.stm

Unfortunately as said, Mr. John McGrady wouldn't have been killing and mutilating anyone had he not been let out of jail early multiple times for these crimes (liberal BBC doesn't seem to want us to know his shady past):

http://www.ligali.org/article.php?id=443

If only he would have been executed or put away forever in the first place, then we would have victims unhurt and 1 still alive!

Thanks Britain's liberals! Another point for you, wooo-whoooooo.

IT IS TOO LATE TO JAIL HIM FOR FULL-LIFE NOW, HE HAS MURDERED. TOO LATE! Talk about closing the gate after the cows have escaped....man what morons are governing this country...what MORONS!

Seifer Almasy

[Charon]

The thing in Britain is that people are no longer afraid to break the law. I propose a 4 sentence justice system.
Minor crime, and I mean minor, a fine.
Slightly more serious crime, jail.
Theft/robbery etc and above - Public Whipping.
Rape/murder/drink driving etc - Death by hanging.

That will do me fine, should drop the crime rates massively. And there'll be a change in jails, no tvs, none of that crap. You go to jail you get upo, you excercise, you work, you excercise you sleep. That's it. Dull, monotonous shit. And a sentence is a sentence, who cares if you behave well, shouldn;t have broken the law in the first place.

Until people are scared to commit a crime for fear of retribution Britain will just steadily decline. The government gets so wound up in trying to protect the human rights of the prisoners they forget to worry about OUR human rights. How about the right to not have a rapist released from jail who promptly rapes and kills a 15 year old girl, that might be a good start. If you break the law, that shoudl be the end of your human rights there. You f**ked up, big time, and now you have to pay.

You only need go to a store and pick up a copy of FHM (For Him Magazine) and turn to the letters page, there's always a few prison letters. Well, call me old fashioned, but what the f**k are prisoners doing writing to magazines? They shouldn't have those magazines let alone be allowed to write to them. They should be too busy working hard to try and cover the cost of keeping their GODDAMNED USELESS arses in jail so us innocent folk don't have to.

I think it's disgusting, I've seen cells in the paper that look more comfortable than my bloody house. Recently a prison in London I thnk spent like 100'000 pounds of taxpayers money....on computers for the inmates! WTF? It's madness. There has to be a line drawn. And don't even let me get started on the prisoners we recently "accidentally" released.

And I'm not done yet. I have to leap on Seymour for his animal rights comment. We have seen only recently how horribly wrong human trials can go, animal testing is a logical idea. Huntington life sciences do a damn good job, sure maybe the government should look into how the animals are treated, but that doesn't give people the right to take the law into their own hands. That's not how our justice system works and neither should it be. Those animal rights protesters SHOULD be locked up.

I'll rant more another time.

[SeymourGuado]

You just went up about 100 points on my cool list charon :) Seriously that is exactly how I feel...

There is 1 human rights nutter in particular that annoys me, she is the director of Liberty "Shami Chakrabarti" or something like that. She is far the most naive, blind and all-for-the-criminal idiot I have ever ever seen...I don't even know if shes for real she is that bad.

Of course you are right, the reason we get crime is because there is no deterrent. Low Crime is directly proportionate to the punishement handed down for offences and to argue otherwise is a silly and pointless thing.

Again you are right about the holiday-jails we have. Immigrants especially who come here and commit a crime are more than happy to go to jail because jail is a treasure island compared to the life they just left behind.

If anyone raped or murdered one of my family members, belive me I would get them back. No 5 year jail sentence (and usually less due to ridiculous parole) would make me happy. I would find some way of handing out the death sentence myself. I don't buy that nonsense "that makes you as bad as them" I just say, the courts didn't hand out punishement, so I did. How many people the little bastard gonna rape and murder now?

About the human trials though, if anything it shows just how bad animal testing is for being conclusive in being safe for humans. That drug(s) had been tested on animals but still the human test subjects nearly died. I am all for cutting the level. And testing for cosmetics purposes is pure and simple wrong....If we want to be vain we should undergo the tests ourselves:)

That was a refreshing post and one of the best I have read for a long time.

Seifer Almasy

[Charon]

Oh of course I'm with you on the cosmetics. That's not what I mean when I say I'm Pro Animal Testing, I'm more on about medicines and things like that that will just help us improve life in general.
See I told you it wasn't your views causing any beef. :P We think alike, the difference is just the way you say it. These lengthy posts are a winner by the way, I haven't posted like this since the old site. :)

As for the family members thing, I too would be tempted to take the law upon myself there. It's a tough situation and you brought to my mind that I was wrong when I said people shouldn't take the law ito their own hands. Whilst I strongly beleive that is the case 99% of times I think there are certain scenarios when one must assume one's own lawful responsibility.
Example, Tony Martin I think his name was. The British farmer. Two youths broke into his farmhouse and robbed it during the night. He heard them and chased them outside, eventually shooting one of them in the back with a shotgun and killing him. He got sent to prison. Disgusting. The guy should get a medal for defending his property so well. As mentioned in my previous rant, they robbed his house, in my eyes their human rights end there. If someone breaks in your house the law should be on your side, not that of the filthy crackhead scumbag who's stealing the shit YOU had to work your ass off to afford. Criminals should be punished, swiftly and harshly. And it's not just us, look at America. I mean WTF is Saddam doing still on trial? Hang the b*****d. On the news he's just making a mockery of everything. When asked how he pleaded, guilty or not guilty, he went on a 10 minute ramble about how it's impossible to answer either way. Talk about blatant stalling. He's guilty, everyone knows he guilty. Just hang him, get it over with. The war cost you enough, don't keep paying for this man to live out of your people's money. ¬¬ Are you happy paying your taxes so he can talk bol***ks in a courtroom all day? Cos I wouldn't be. I'd be more than happy to pay for a gallows, some rope and a hangman though.

*lobs the ball to Seymour*

All yours pal.

[SeymourGuado]

*catches the ball*

Agreed, agreed, agreed and agreed...

Tony Martin was 1 guy who showed how it is supposed to be done. If the british government knew that everyone would do that if pushed they would make certain of better sentences, scared that someone like him would come along and do their "job" for them.

The media were disgusting too, the onus was on condeming him rather than congratulating him but public opinion was way, way on his side. The one who escaped being shot was I believe, a drug dealer. Not long after he was back in jail. Useless bastard wasn't in long it seems because just round the corner the BBC (was it BBC or ITV?) was paying thousands for "his story".

So there you go. Be a no good 'smack head' , be an arsehole, cause a nationwide stir and you get a few thousand for your trouble. Better yet, whilst being a convicted rapist serving a lax sentence out on "Day Release" buy a lottery ticket and WIN..yeah, when you get out you have a few million! Sadly its no sick joke, it's what happened:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3557372.stm

Oh yeah, just thought I would mention, he was serving a "life sentence" previously. Hmm life ey? so why is he out?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/3555308.stm

I hear something..."CUCKOO CUCKOO britain is bonkers CUCKOO." For an island as small as this, there sure is a whole loada incredible shit goin' on ey.


I know the kind of MINDLESS thugs that invaded the poor guys property, I lived on one of the worst estates (possibly THE worst) in Rochdale. They have no morals, no minds of their own, no remorse for anything, no ambition or drive. I just wish they would die sooner instead of terrorising and making other decent peoples lives a complete misery.

On that particular estate my room was demolished and burgled by the way:) My front door (made of reinforced wood) to the house had a rectangular hole axed out of it (yes AXED out at about 1-3 PM in broad daylight whilst my mum was at work and I at school!). Of course noone said anything, too scared that they would be the next knife attack common to the awful estate.

On saddam, it is pretty clear that he is guilty, its not as if the trial will accomplish anything. Muslims arent bothered on the whole about our justice system. Most of Iraqis want their own Shia law so this solves nothing other than giving that wanker a platform to preach and take the piss. In this case he should be hung with immediate effect.

There was a similar case, was it general Pinochet? I forget. War criminal anyway, was on trial so long that in the end he died, evading any sort of punishment and laughing all the way to the grave. The kind of idiots running around protecting criminals "human rights" are to blame for MANY of the ills in our country Charon as you know. Blind bastards should be the only ones that feel the effect of their barmy polices then maybe they wouldn't be so enthusiastic about protecting people other than the victim.

Of course it's the namby-pamby liberal ideologists that never seem to get any kind of ill treatment. They are usually super rich, live in a nice area of low or next-to-none crime and therefore are naive fruit cakes. Living a cushy life is what makes most of the liberals...liberals. Dump them in Newbold, Rochdale, GM for a few days haha that would be one reality TV show I WOULD watch!

I forsee a day when it gets so bad people turn on these useless governments we have in power. So far people seem happy to go from conservative back to labour (of course with our ridiculous non-democratic 'First Past The Post' voting system in action) without even questioning why things never seem to change on the whole.

I voted BNP at the last election and I had no guilt about doing it. I have realised that even if the party is racist (which I am not too sure about) atleast they stand for true britishness and better still they really do make the BBC and the "Main 3" sit up and take notice. Scared shitless half the time they are...that cannot be a bad thing. The media portryal of the BNP is bad, always bad and wrong. If they truly are racist then why not engage them in conversation? Nick Griffin, whom I met a month or two back, has asked BBC countless times to appear on 'BBC Question Time" but...no.

So I as you can see, I have had just about enough of my country ignoring the people and even influencing voting. I want change and the only way is to get these no-good do-gooders OUT OF OFFICE!

I appreciate that people, maybe even you Charon, may not like (or understand?) me voting for ther BNP but atleast a vote for them is a vote that is heard:)

I think I am getting better at structuring sentences (none prison kind hehe) etc...this is good practice for my novel;)

[Locke]

While I might not agree with everything that you guy's have been saying, I definently agree that if someone is trespassing and you shoot them, it's you right. As long as you are give them some warning, probly along the lines of "Drop the stuff or I shoot", then it's fair game. That's completely ridiculous that he got charged with murder. Makes me glad I'm over here in Canada, where we can still shoot trespassers. ;)

[Charon]

*dribbles the ball past Locke*

Slam Dunk.

Locke, pulic outcry got him released very fast, but not fast enough for the majority. It led to a slight reform in British Law, giving the homeowner more power to protect his own home. We are now allowed to use Reasonable Force. :P Meaning, you can club someone in the face with a abseball bat if your life is in danger from them, well, pretty much. Labour aren't completely useless.

And now Seymour.

Life should be life, right on. None of this getting let out business.
Rochdale huh? Well that explains it, Manchester is a hive of crime, no wonder we share so many views. Don't suppose you hate Chavs and the Homeless too? :)

As for the BNP. I think they as a party are racist. And that upsets me. But at the same time I am also aware that not all their followers are. My friend Rob was a very sane person and not racist in the slightest, but he too felt he had more in common with the BNP than Labour or Tory. And it's true, like most parties they do have their good points. They are things they would do certain ways that would be benefecial to Britain. It's just a shame they are so OTT with regards to the Non-White Non-English community. I personally chose not to vote. I see no point giving one party the edge over another for no reason. I like Labour but can see their many faults, I hate Tory yet admit they could make Britain stronger and probably reduce crime, and the BNP, well, you kow my issue with them, Any other parties are inconsequential as they will never acheive enough votes for mine to count either way. :P Let's face it, there's no danger of Lib-Dem winning. Lol.

*sends the ball through Locke's legs back to Seymour*

[SeymourGuado]

That extra power was actually a gimmick:) the wording was slightly changed but the law was essentially already in place;) The full powers Blair wanted were watered down because of opposition I believe (think the useless interfering Lords again! They have GOT TO GO).

Of course the Criminal Rights brigade were beside themselves with jubilation!

Yeah I do dislike Chavs. The homeless are an annoyance that I ignore. Now and again I may give them a sandwich or something but on the whole it is clear to see the majority are scrounging for drug money and none of them are truly homeless in the slightest (In Rochdale/Manchester anyway).

The ones I hate are the gits that come up to you saying "got 20p please mate for the phonebox" well guess what, thats old now, BT put it up to 30p so stop lying. Them 20p's just keep on getting asked for!

*Tries to chip ball over Locke but who did the ball fall to?* (i am playing soccer...haha)

[Charon]

The Lords, pffft. They rejected the Euthanasia thing a few days ago despite so many people behind it.

And you're right about the homeless in Manchester. Working in a shop I get to the see where exactly your money goes. And don't buy them food, they do come in and try to swap it back for alcohol. That is when they're not stealing. And the regulars often go through spates of using a crutch. Ever seen a tramp with a crutch? You know why they have that? Cos the veins in their legs have collapsed under such heavy intravenous drug use. Don't pity them, kick them.

[Geosgaeno]

Totally agree about these homeless suckers. A few of them may be really stuck for money etc, but the majority arnt even poor, me and Seymour saw one (the 20p guy) scrounging for spair change outside the snooker hall, and the next week we went down and he was dressed up getting into a car with his girlfriend (who is another waste of oxygen), i cant see him getting loads of 20p's to make him as rich as that in a week....can you?

and im sick of walking past the sal doss in the mornings (a doss house where all the nobs live), all i here is "got a cigy mate" "got a light fella".....no just go away and stop hassling me, find a corner and die you drugged up crack heads. Just looking at these idiots makes me wonder why they arnt in prison, because you can tel that they belong there.

sick of it

[Locke]

Hmmm, looking at this thread makes me think... do you guys do anything but rant and complain about England? It's your country, I'm sure there must be some good things it's doing. Yeah, there's down sides to it, but there's up sides too I'm sure...

[Geosgaeno]

no upsides im affraid Locke, absolutely none.

me and Seymour have just been approached by a guy i would love to shoot, we were just walking peacefully and talking, and he comes in our faces and does some sarcastic laugh, i stared at him and just said to him "what a weirdo", then he starts ranting "im gonna knock you out gonna get ya" etc etc, still looking at him at this point and just said "go home you savage crack head".

Now thats why England is a jolly old dump, i hate people like the person im talking about, they dont really provoke me because i just whack em in the face if they tried to physically assualt me, but tell me what is the point of trying to cause the trouble in the first place, couldnt he just walk past and say nothing like a normal person, these people will try to cause trouble if they lived on the other side of the galaxy.

once again....SICK OF IT

[SeymourGuado]

I am afraid its beyond ranting now...its to the point where I hope they die.

There are so many downsides to our culture like what geosgaeno said that the positives are irrelevant. Look at all the true stories I have added here already and that is less than 1% of them.

If you lived here in Rochdale Locke you would be ranting too ;) believe

Seifer Almasy

[Charon]

Hmmm, looking at this thread makes me think... do you guys do anything but rant and complain about England? It's your country, I'm sure there must be some good things it's doing. Yeah, there's down sides to it, but there's up sides too I'm sure...
Not to point out the bleeding obvious, but this thread is about Britain's shortcomings, not it's good points. Of course there are good things about Britain. However bad things always make for more conversation than good things, feel free to start a "Britain Rocks" thread and I'll give the flip side of the rant. But in the mean time, :P

[SeymourGuado]

Even I would post in Britain Rocks...but this as said, is mainly about its lack of a justice system;)

[Geosgaeno]

i dont believe it, the same thing as last night has happened to me this morning, was walking down a flight of stairs near Sal Doss, and an idiot on a bike went flying past slammed the brakes on and said to me "got a cigy" i said "i dont smoke" then he starts shouting calling me a wanker and a dickhead........why why why why why, what is the point, i just burst out laughing at him, then he rides on and asks an old man then the old man must have said "no" and he calles him a prick too, trying to intimidate the guy.

we need these people locked up, reminds me of minority report, they havnt done the crime....yet.

its truly amazing how many losers this country has, approx 75%

[SeymourGuado]

The latest from our soft country as 2 vicious asian thugs are imprisoned for "life" for the racist murder of an innocent young man.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4992966.stm

These came during the race riots in britain. Unfortunately life means "a minimum of 25 years in a lovely british jail" so will this happen again? Of course it will! It will keep on happening until we get a grip of crime and until we accept that this cooking pot of "multiculturism" is going to end in meltdown!

We have already had a few riots, most notably in Oldham, sadly we also have other black minorities (that feel threatened) who the pakistani-descent community feel they must attack and get preferential treatment to also. We have so many tensions on so many fronts that to ignore it and hope it will all go away is ludicrous!

This country is heading for a race war disaster, France is experiencing more violence at the minute and in time all of these "coexisting" ethnic minorities as well as normal white english are gonna be waging war on a daily basis.

What we need is integration. We need the ethnic minorities (especially the asian community it has to be said) to start embracing our way of life. To wear our dress, to speak fluent english only, to not want special schools of religion or religious dress. Then we can start looking at safeguarding our border. Asylum seekers should not be allowed in unless it is shown this is their first country of refuge.

Since many of the "asylmum seekers" are really sponging hypocrits that come to britain because of it's soft-touch, have-all-you-can-take attitude, it is only right that we start to stop most asylum seekers entering, and throw out the ones that are causing problems. It is not right to say "hey we can't throw them out, they MIGHT get tortured in the country they came from." TOUGH. This is not Britains problem and they should have thought about that before comitting a crime here! Back you go! No tax-payers paid trial, no nothing...BOOTED.

The first thing we really need to do though as said, is pull out of the human rights act and come up with something alot more sane. Soemthing that doesn't favour the wrong-doer, nutcase human rights activists and parasite lawyers.

Differences of the kind I see here in Rochdale is what is leading to the massive tensions, alienation and soon-to-come civil war between our wonderful diverse society.

[Charon]

For a prime example of what Justice really is, enter my blog via my signature and read all about someone getting their come-uppance as it should be.

Warning, contains strong language and violence. :P How can you resist...

[SeymourGuado]

Well written and hilarious. Weldone Charon. I may even save that :)

[SeymourGuado]

Yes that was a nice pun title wasn't it:)

For the last month or so, the BBC along with many other tabloid newspapers have increased their coverage of knife attack crimes here in britain because of an armistice on knives. Yes, we are to believe that real drug pushing, mindless bastards are going to hand in their knives and all will be well in Britain.

What nonsense. We had a gun armistice after the Dunblane school massacre but guess what? Yes gun related crime has gone UP since then. The only people who gave their guns in were the very people who will NOT ever use them for crime.

It stands to reason and common sense that a real criminal isn't going to suddenly have a change of heart because someone says "hand in your knives" .

Missing the point entirely the BBC and other clueless people like our elected politicians don't seem to realise that if someone wants to find a knife they need not look further than their home kitchen (which the guy below did). What do the powers that be suggest? Ban all metal knives....?

The reason we have a problem is not that knives are the cause, they are the tool of use. The real cause is the yobs and mindless criminals that know they won't be properly punished by our barmy "soft touch" laws! Having guns banned is a good thing, we cannot buy guns in a shop and thankgod, but knives are something we cannot live our daily lives without.

If we want to cut crime of all types, instead of coming up with these crackpot gimmicks, how about addressing the issue? PUNISHMENT that PUNISHES. To all the British electorate I say, take the sand out of your eyes and stop being stupidly naive!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/5022028.stm

Now read this particular story, yes a 16 year old arsehole MURDERED a father of two! Well, they gave him Manslaughter which means he serve less time in jail. Laughably we cannot even name the thug because of how backwards our justice system is.

"I hope today's court result will show people how dangerous knives can be. It only takes one stab wound to take someone's life and the consequences for both the offender and victim are vast."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah let us all LAUGH at that IDIOTIC statement! Does this person HONESTLY think that the 16 yr old murderer gives two shits? He KNEW a knife was dangerous! What the hell you think he attacked him with one for? To tickle him? Take the damn sand out of your eyes FOOL!

If you want crime reduced start meating out better punishments. Let us see what sentence the little darling gets on June 16th shall we. Let's see if my wonderful justice system can take up the challenge to punish this monster accordingly and make up for 1 man losing his life through Murder NOT Manslaughter! We will soon see the "vast" consequences won't we....

[Charon]

He'll be free this time next year, mark my words.

[SeymourGuado]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/5057164.stm

In britain you can expect a mere 5-8 year jail term in a cozy jail for raping a 12 week old baby. Yes, thats right, RAPING a twelve week old BABY.

Crackpot judges and our crackpot justice system decided that 5 years was all they could afford his female accomplice but extended his sentence from 6 to just 8 years in jail.

What a pathetic sentence, what a pathetic country. The DEATH SENTENCE should have been the minimum sentence! Nothing less. What a joke!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/4599524.stm

"Webster was given a life sentence"

Oh, was he? So why has it now gone from 6 to 8 years. What is it that this island of mine doesn't understand about the word "life"? ....

I don't want to fund this filth with my taxes for his stay in our warm cosy jail Blair. I want him taken out!

Seifer Almasy

[Charon]

I had wondered what that guy got. 8 years really is a bit crap considering the nature of the crime. Seymour isn't exaggerating there, 12 weeks old. :shame:

And so shortly after a drink driver (who was banned from driving at the time, for drink driving on 4 prior occasions) ran over and killed a pensioner. His punishment? A fine of £1'500.

I'm almost beyond the point of caring these days. It seems like there's just no way back. So I've developed a new plan. First off, build a huge prison in Antartica or somewere equally out of the way, the Sahara maybe or even underground. :D And then simply have two punishments for crime. Death, or imprisonment. It's not ideal, but it would be a good start.

[SeymourGuado]

I have about 100000 candidates....without these scum our island would flourish. Think of the tax we would save. And if Shami chakrabarti wants to argue, we shove her there too!

Seifer Almasy

[kai]

12 weeks old? That is just wrong on every level. If anyone needed an example of why the death penalty should be brought back that would be it, open and shut case. :smash:

[Locke]

Yeah, I definently agree. That is one person that should be shot, hung, drawn and quartered, and then pissed on. Wrong on every possible level.

[Geosgaeno]

death is too easy he should be tortured immensly for a long long time, and then killed in pain, these people are sick in the head but never get what they deserve http://207.210.94.66/%7Erpgn/forums/images/smilies/mad.gifhttp://207.210.94.66/%7Erpgn/forums/images/smilies/mad.gifhttp://207.210.94.66/%7Erpgn/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif

[SeymourGuado]

Well, Britain isn't just useless in 1 area as we have seen. It is useless in nearly everything.

From what I can see I hate this country of mine and its system so much I don't know whether if given the choice, I would just leave it and sod bothering.

What follows is a sensative topic for me, because it is about my life and my mothers continuing slide into depression, paranoid schizophrenia, Amphetamine psychosis and Obessive Compulsive Disorder. All of which are brought on with the abuse of Cannabis and Amphetamine (Speed)

My mother has always taken drugs, after giving up on alcohol when i was about 7, (to her credit because she was an alcoholic for many years) she seemed more often that not, a normal person. Unfortunately cannabis, amphetamine and drugs like Diazepam were never far away for long enough to see my real Mum for too long.

In an unorthodox upbringing with my sister, we usually had to endure the sight of weirdo's, druggies and other down and outs "socialising" in our home through the years. The sanity of My mother at that point depended on whther she was high on drugs or not.

Unfortunately in the last few years, even the slightest amount of drugs warps her vision of reality to an extent that is more often than not, unbearable and it is going worse.

After accusing her mother of Sexual abuse in recent times, to believing she was possessed with evil demons in the past the last month has been without doubt the worst set of episodes in all my life that I can remember. At the moment, she believes that there are faces in the paint work, the floor and behind the plaster.

In the last month alone she has done/believed the following:-





Changed the locks to the doors 15 times, because she thinks a druggie from the past is getting in her flat with "keys", painting black paint underneath her paint, then painting back over it with the correct colour to disquise it.
Believes he is Putting evil pictures of demons under the plaster, woodwork and paint, causing her to bash numerous holes in her wall and chip at the floor, woodwork and other items including the television in what can only be described as obsessive manic behaviour.
Drawn more than 1000 blue crosses on the floor in marker pen to ward off "evil"
Believes someone is also telekenetically and telepathically messing about with her house, putting glue and other things like scratches all over her home, causing her to start chipping away at the "infected" items also
Believing I am against her and want her killed
Believing my sister is sadistically abusing her baby girl
There are probably other traits I have missed. The severe paranoid delusions brought on by amphetamine and cannabis abuse are all too clear to see, but of course she believes I am "lying" when I say I cannot see "faces" and that she is completely sane. This drug in combination with cannabis is a death trap and a lethal cocktail believe me.

The point of this passage however is not to tell you about those facts, rather to tell you what has been done about it.

Today I had no choice after witnessing further mutilation of My Mum's property to call the ambulance and tried to get her sectioned or atleast cleaned out for 1 week which is what she needs. Sadly my country wasn't up to the task and discharged her after 1 hour.

It was the police that admitted her to hospital for a checkup after witnessing the same house i have, my mothers house. Sadly, although she is a clear danger to herself, property and possibly others, they let her go.

They could not care less like i do about what happens to her in her decreased mental state. She is capable of anything and of course i am now fearing for her safety. If something should now happen to her, it is our system that is to blame once again for failing me and her.

I am grassing the dealer because I know who it is, he is no big shot but he is getting grassed no doubt about that. That will be 1 less dealer for her to get her speed off.

It is sad that it has come to this, but why can't they forcibly make her get cleaned out if she is off it, as she appears to be?

it is quite simple how we stop the drugs trade in this country:


Death sentence automatically for anyone found smuggling illegal drugs of any kind.
Death sentence for anyone found dealing
Watch the drug rate slide by about 100000% overnight, and thus people like my mother get "cured". Sadly WE DON'T HAVE THE BALLS! WEAK COUNTRY! WEAK POLITICIANS and worst of all WEAK LIBERAL DO-GOODERS

I went to the doctors before dialing 999, their computers had mysteriously broken, so they couldn't put me through to an emergency appointment. receptionist said "can't you get her to come in at 3:30" I said "she is suicidal, she is off her head seeing faces....are you serious!!?" She just looked at me with a blank face cause she is as thick as pig shit. GO AWAY!

Anyway, i have tried and now it is in Fate/God's hands what happens now. Atleast I tried and was failed.


http://www.ravesafe.org/otherinfo/psychosis.htm

Seifer Almasy

[Locke]

Death sentence automatically for anyone found smuggling illegal drugs of any kind.
Death sentence for anyone found dealing
While I agree with you on some of what you said, I should point out that some distinctions should be made.

1. Cannabis in no way would induce pschosis. Maybe when paired with Amphetemines, which do induce it on their own, but Cannabis is not to blame here.

2. Death sentance is way too harsh for some things. Drugs like Heroin, Amphetemines, and Ecstacy, I agree. For pot... not a chance. Pot doesn't do anything permanent, really, or at least nothing more permanent then ... say, smoking cigarettes or drinking. Both are more harmful to an individual then Marijuana. Trust me, I've done the research.

[SeymourGuado]

I can tell you that cannabis abuse does indeed induce a mild psychosis, prolonged side effects are evident in my sister also who only takes cannabis (such as spacing out even though she is completely sober as well as poor memory, obviously a lasting side effect). Whilst research into the drug is limited I have seen what prolonged use of it can do first hand.

Coupled with other drugs both are lethal and need to be outlawed indefinately.

In 1 country, a guy was found in possession and sentenced to 10 years in jail. I would go further , saying if you are dealing, you die. People say "cannabis is here to stay, its very hard to stop the trade" I say "death sentence indefinately witha quick trial will stop it overnight"

Mild use of cannabis is not in the least dangerous from what I have seen.

But alot of it is bad, it stands to reason that if you are pumping a drug that alters your mental state and pumps carbon monoxide into your brain, there is lasting damage.

In time, professional research will without a doubt, in my opinion, prove cannabis is much worse than it appears at the moment. Especially smoking more or equal to 10 UK pounds of it a week. (don't know the weight measurements, I haven't touched the stuff in ages and will never again.)

I can only assume from your last post locke that you are taking it, and therefore protecting the drug based on a biased opinion. I am basing my opinion on all the people I see around me altered through purely its use. Geosgaeno has also seen what alot of it can do first hand. And I must stress I mean using it once nearly every two days for a long time (and no study can really say what time we are talking on average).

My sister commented "it is much worse than people think...I agree it definately fucks your head up if you keep taking it. I have cut down on it alot recently"

She smoked it as much as my mum at one point..

Bottom line is proper research needs to be done into this drug.

[kai]

Especially smoking more or equal to 10 UK pounds of it a week. (don't know the weight measurements, I haven't touched the stuff in ages and will never again.)

10 lbs O_O Mother of god that's a lot of green. I could see 10 grams in a week for the average pot head maybe even a few ounces for heavy users but 10 lbs would drop and elephant for an unknown period of time (might only be 20 mins but that is a lot of THC for any living thing to handle).

(I know you stated you didn't know the weight measurements but I was just surprised at 10 lbs)

[SeymourGuado]

10 Uk pounds...money wise.

[Locke]

****************

[kai]

Oh . . . . my mistake . . . . . . :bawl:

(once every two days :wacky: .. . . . . . try every hour on the hour everyday:peace: )

[Geosgaeno]

talking of Canabis, im experiencing the wrath of it first hand as i speak....my brother and his mates are puffing away in his bedroom (about 7 of them), the house stinks and they all got the munchies (in otherwords the food in the house is disappearing)

Canabis should only be available on prescription for certain illnesses, such as Arthritis which i suffer from, the way it is being sold and distributed in the UK is a shambles, these idiots dont know how it messes people up in the head, one of my cousins (Petra) said once she couldnt remember what she did for a whole week, canabis was to blame, the memory loss is mega.

i wouldnt go as far as deal and die, but certainly deal and a few decades inside (or just send them to space in a rocket), it needs banning to stop the further dimise of my country

[SeymourGuado]

We just keep getting more lenient. What is next, rewards for good muders?

Sweets if you clean up the brutal mess?

haha UK you really are losing the plot:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/5073486.stm

Who is to blame?

1. European Court Of Criminals Rights (ECOHR)

2. The Criminal Lords (law Lords)

3. Liberals.

Rot in hell. Be under no illusions, if this kind of thing visits my family, the murderer i shall visit.

[Geosgaeno]

Rot in hell. Be under no illusions, if this kind of thing visits my family, the murderer i shall visit.ditto, if it happened to my family then all our family would be being sent down because we would all go together and make a mess of the murderer etc

[kai]

I don't care why you are doing it, killing someone who you hate seems a little pointless. They don't suffer, its a simple matter of lights out, nothing more. If I was to exact revenge you can bet they would stay alive, however you can say goodbye to your fingers, toes, ears, nose, teeth, and hair. I'd say each could be removed one at a time in a fairly slow and extremely painful process, and to top it off you get to live your life a mutant like creature. That would quench my bloodlust just fine :D .

[SeymourGuado]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5077986.stm

Yes, believe it, "A total of 53 people sentenced to life have been released on licence from jail in the past six years"

I wonder if New Labour and the other politicians would care to explain why they still haven't changed our disgraceful justice system?

[Charon]

Ah cannabis. Here again we hit a point where our views differ.

First off, as a smoker myself, I can vouch that cannabis does have some harmful effects, but it sure hasn't driven me crazy. In fact, I perceive alcohol as far more dangerous, hence the reason I quit drinking back in 05. But these effects are minor. I smoke tobacco anyway, so the impact on my health is minimal in comparison. My short term memory has always been practically non-existant but cannabis can cause that to deteriorate.

But, I am all for the legalisation of cannabis. I'm a good decent guy, I don't wanna pay money to some dealer, inadvertantly fuelling organised crime just because I want a little smoke. I think it should be made legal, then at least my money can go somewhere useful like hospitals or a new car for John Prescott. :P I buy my weed off a dealer because there is no other way, and it is a shame. Tobacco is far more harmful and yet that's freely available worldwide.

Ok, now to address specific points.

Locke
"1. Cannabis in no way would induce pschosis. Maybe when paired with Amphetemines, which do induce it on their own, but Cannabis is not to blame here."

Cannabis can cause depression and anxiety on it's own, but, like any drug, it depends on your usage habits and your mental state itself. If you're already on a razor's edge then smoking a lot of pot could send you tumbling. But for the vast majority, no, it wouldn't induce psychosis by itself.

"2. Death sentance is way too harsh for some things. Drugs like Heroin, Amphetemines, and Ecstacy, I agree. For pot... not a chance. Pot doesn't do anything permanent, really, or at least nothing more permanent then ... say, smoking cigarettes or drinking. Both are more harmful to an individual then Marijuana. Trust me, I've done the research."

Death sentence for dropping an ecstasy? That's still harsh. People seem to overestimate the dangers of ecstasy. I dabbled with it in university, for around 2 months, before the comedown got boring and I went off it. Everyone i know who's taken it seems to have followed a similar pattern, taking the drug for a period and eventually just getting bored of it. It' an amazing euphoria, but it is still a fake euphoria. It's harmful effects have been exaggerated. One pill CAN kill you, but only if it has been cut with something lethal (unlikely, drug dealers want you coming back for more not dying on them) or if you are allergic, or if you are stupid and drink shitloads of alcohol with it until you dehydrate (Leah Betts). Assuming you aren't allergic you could take an ecstasy right now and have no harmful effects at all, but there are people out there with addictive personalities, and these people would get addicted to ecstasy just as they would to anything and eventually overdose and die. That's not to say all people who take it will follow that pattern. Not all alcohol drinkers are alcoholics, only a small minority, people don;t clamour in the streets about how dangerously addictive alcohol can be. When I decided I was drinking more than I should be I just quit, just like that. Easy. Putting a death sentence on it would jsut be ridiculous.

However, there ARE dangerous drugs of course, drugs such as heroin are instantly addictive. That is a real danger. LSD is hallucinogenic and if overtaken can cause many harmful effects, again, a dangerous drug. I'm not saying drugs are good and people should go out and do them, that would be silly. Ecstasy is not good for you. but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it. If I could go back a few years to when I came across it, knowing what I do now, I'd still have taken it during that two month period. I had the time of my life and I'm not afraid to admit it. If my sister, or brother came to me saying they were thinking of trying it once, I'd probably sit them down, explain my experience, and tell them if they still wanted to try I'd be on hand to look after them before, during and after. It's a once in a lifetime experience. (oooh controversial :) ) Course if they said they were gonna try cocaine, heroin or LSD or something I'd intervene. Unless you've actually tried such a drug, it's hard to have a fair opinion on it, after all, you only have the media to rely on for your information, and according to the media, ecstasy = death. Sigh, some drugs can be taken sensibly, a while back in Britain, they let some guys take fly agaric ( a mild but potentially dangerous hallucinogen) and then filmed them as they described the world whilst high. Fascinating stuff, it opened my eyes a lot, I'd love to see them do the same with something like Ecstasy but I doubt that would ever happen.

Seymour:
10 pounds worth of cannabis is not much, so I assuming your sister smokes the heavier resin rather than the green leaf. The leaf itself is supposedly less harmful, mainly do to the production process involved in extracting the resin. Personally I smoke a bag or two a week, a bag is 20 pounds (pricey I know but now I don't drink and am smoking less than ten cigs a day it's actually less than I used to spend drinking and smoking 20+ cigs a day.). A 20 pound bags is an eighth of a gram if memory serves. I'd have to guess at how many joints one could roll with it, but I'd guess somewhere in the region of 10-15, depending again on personal usage habits.

Goesgano:
"talking of Canabis, im experiencing the wrath of it first hand as i speak....my brother and his mates are puffing away in his bedroom (about 7 of them), the house stinks and they all got the munchies (in otherwords the food in the house is disappearing)"
I quite like the smell, but yes it can be offensive to some. As for the munchies, it's something to do with the increased bloodflow to certain organs I beleive. This is one effect that I like, I don't eat much anyways so it's a surefire way of making sure that I do, lol. Works wonders for your appetite.

Let me close now with this. I'm not a nutter, or some form of raving drug addict. Enough of you know me well enough to know that isn't the case. Drugs can destroy lives, they can be dangerous. Some drugs manifest harmful effects instantly, like with heroin, or over a course of time, taking ecstasy regularly for years for instance can be a very stupid thing to do, luckily most people realise and respect that. Cannabis is probably one of the least harmful drugs out there. Definately far less harmful and addictive than alcohol or tobacco. I chose to stop drinking, one day I'll choose to give up cigarettes. Maybe one day I'll even give up the green, but not for a long time. I agree that drug dealers are a problem, and for that reason I think cannabis should be legalised. Ecstasy in my eyes is still dangerous, the media would do well to inform people of ecstasy much better than they currently do, but these dangers, so far, have only been proven to manifest with long term abuse. Pot smokers, and most ecstasy users, are casual, recreational users. Heroin takers are addicts from the word go, those are the drugs that need tighter controls.

However the government will never legalise cannabis. Because if they do, they couldn't sell it. People would grow their own, and dealers would always be able to undercut the government's prices. It's impractical and that's a shame. But a death sentence on it is no way forwards. And besides, who are the government to tell me I can't smoke a plant if I want to? And to then sentence me to death for it? Lol.

These drugs are already illegal and yet people still get hold of them, this isn't going to change. What does need to be done is to make people aware of the dangers. If Leah Betts had taken ecstasy with me and my friends she would still be alive today. Anything can be bad for you if abused.

Cannabis users are also the least liekly to cause any trouble. Heavy drinkers cause all sorts of trouble and damaage their health and public porperty and suchlike. A stoner does little more than sit at home, listen to tunes, play some playstation and eat all the crisps in the house.

Let's take a moment to take a look through my eyes on two different nights.

Night 1. Alcohol.
So if tonight I was gonna get drunk here's what would happen.
I'd probably go out with my mates and drink say 8 pints, maybe more, The load on my liver would be horrendous and I'd probably pick up some scarring. I'd say stupid things and embarrass myself and my friends, but hey, we're all too drunk to care. On the way home some guy pisses one of us off and a fight ensues. We graffiti a bus shelter cos it seems like a good diea at the time and promptly get arrested by the police, spending the ngiht vomiting in a cell.
(Note this never actually happened, I was a reasonably sensible drinker.)

Night 2. Weed.
So instead let's see my night with a bag of grass.
I roll up a joint and smoke it. I listen to some power metal, grinning away and doing the \,,/ sign when a good drumroll or guitar solo grabs my attention. I smoke a bit more, make a meal and eat it, have a choccy bar to finish off. Load up neverwinter nights and go slay some orcs. Log on mirc and chat about Scale Expansion Theory as an alternative model to the big bang with my buddies. Then probably feel a bit tired and retire to bed to sleep it off.

Which is more harmful? Not just to me but others around me? I'd be too stoned to start a fight, or smash anything up. Why would I even want to? My brain might be running slow but I'm still aware of what's a stupid idea and what isn't. Alcohol takes away that control, it makes me unpredictable. It makes me say and do things quite out of character. And going back to the smell... you ever smelt someone who's drunk 8 pints? Give me a stoner to sniff any day.

There's a song that compares weed and alcohol beautifully, you should look for it. It's called "The Irony of it All" and is by "The Streets". It's narrated by one guy playing two characters, a smoker, and a drinker. I'll leave you with the lyrics.

PS. It's been a long day (and no I've not smoked any yet) so i hope I got my points across in the way I wanted without making myself look like some pill-popping lunatic. ¬¬


Drinker:
Allo, Allo, my names Terry and i'm a law abider.
Theres nothing i like more than getting fired up on beer,
and when the weekends here,
i exercise my right to get paraletic and fight.
Good bloke fairly.
But i get well lairy when geezers look at me funny,
bouncin' 'round like bunnies.
I'm likely to cause mischief,
good clean grief, you must believe
and i aint no thief.
Law abinding an' all, all legal.
Who cares bout my liver when it feels good.
What you need is some real manhood.
Rasha, rasha, bernie-casha
Puttin peoples backs up.
Public disorder, i'll give you public disorder,
i down eight pints and run all over the place,
spit in the face of an officer,
see if that bothers ya,
cos i've never broke a law in my life.
Some day i'm gonna settle down with a wife.
Come on lads lets have another fight.


Stoner:
Hello, my names Tim and i'm a criminal.
in the eyes society i need to be in jail,
for the choice of herbs i inhale.
This aint no wholesale operation.
Just a few eighths and some playstations my vocation.
I pose a threat to the nation,
and down at the station the police hold no patience.
Lets talk about space and time,
i like to get deep sometimes and think about einstein and karl jung,
and old kung fu movies i like to see,
pass the hydrator please.
Mmm..yea, i'm floatin on thin air,
goin to amsterdam in the new year,
top gear there.
Cos i take pride in my hobby.
Homemade bongs using my engineering degree.
"Dear Leaders, Please legalise weed for these reasons..."

Drinker:
Like i was sayin 2 him, i told him.
fuck with me and you wont win,
so i smacked him in the head and downed another carling.
Bada bada bing, for the lads like.
Mad fight. His face is a sad sight
vodka and snakebite.
Goin on like a right geeze, he's a twat!
Shouldnt have looked at me like that!
Anyway...I'm an upstanding citizen.
If a war came along i'd be standing on the front line with them.
Can't stand crime either,
them 'ooligans on 'eroin.
Drugs and criminal.
Those thugs are the pinacle of the downfall of society
ive got all the anger pent up inside of me

Stoner:
No. I don't see why i should be the criminal.
How could something with no recorded fatalities be illegal?
And how many deaths are there per year from alcohol?
I just completed gran turismo on the hardest setting.
we pose no threat on my settee
Oh, the pizza's here. will someone let him in please?
We didnt order chicken. Not a problem we'll pick it out.
I doubt they meant to mess us about.
After all we're adults not lads.
As I was sayin we're friendly peaceful people.
We're not the ones out there causing trouble.
We just sit in this hazy bubble with our quarters,
discusing how beautiful gail porter is.
MTV BBC2 Channel 4, is on til 6 in the morning,
then 6 in the morning the sun dawns and its my bed time.

Drinker:
Causing trouble?! Your stinkin rabble boys sayin i'm the one thats spoilin it
Your on drugs!
Really bugs me when people try and tell me i'm a thug,
just for getting drunk! i like getting drunk.
I'm an upstanding citizen,
if a war came along i'd be on the front line with them

Stoner:
Now Terry. Your repeating yourself,
but thats ok, drunk people can't help that.
A chemical reaction happening inside your brain
causes you to forget what your saying.

Drinker:
What? I know exactly what i'm saying!
I'm perfectly sane, you stinkin student lamo.
Go get a job and stop robbin' us of our taxes.

Stoner:
Erm, well, actually, according to research.
Government funding for further education,
pales in insignificance when compared to how much they spend on repairing,
lairy drunk people every weekend in casualty wards,
all over the land.

Drinker:
Why you cheeky lil swine!
Come ere! I'm gonna batter ya!
Come ere!

Who's up for homosexuality as our next rant? :D

[SeymourGuado]

Great lengthy post Charon:)

When I said death penalty, I meant to the dealers. The only socialising thing I can condone is Alcohol. Granted it causes fights to people who are too stupid to control themselves and drink too much but in the end you don't lose brain activity in quite the same way like my mother and sister have done.

You have to be a fairly heavy drinker to die from beer, trust me, my father is a raging alcoholic, 1 bottle of vodka a day atleast is his average, and he is still going and gonna die in the next year of Pancreatis. But...he managed over 30 years as a raging alcoholic. Now, take cannabis, can you imagine a raging pothead living 30 years with their marbles intact...I can't. The chances are it is cancer or some form of brain damage, however mild for them (and most likely more severre than the damage done to the brain by beer).

I also want Tobacco outlawing totally with zero tolerance. The beef I really have against smokers is that they also make me breathe their smoke. I shouldn't be punished for their stupidity either in the womb or a pub.

Well, I also want all sprits banning too, I believe only beer less than 8% should be sold, as well as expensive wine/cherry and the like. Not cheapo sprits that anyone can buy. That would vut down on liver disease and the like to no end.

Outlawed indefinately would be: Tobacco, Class A drugs, Some Class B drugs (will consider cannabis since alcohol is allowed, yes I know it is C but it will be soon back to B), Strong alcohol.

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As for homosexuality, I am against it. Full stop. It is an indecent practice, immoral and wrong. I will quickly sketch out my points:





If the person chooses to be homosexual they are either, sick, weird, have some form of mental problem and are immoral.
If the person does not choose, it is a genetic defect or other illness.
If we were all homosexual, the human race would not exist. Therefore it is against nature in every way.
it is wrong on religious grounds
Most who practice it, to me atleast, seem to be in it for sexual gratification, few have long lasting and stable relationships I believe that is a fact.
I have nothing against them practicing it in their own homes. That is their business but I will not tolerate:


Being told it is normal. It quite clearly is not.
Being told "times have changed" , well they better change again.
Letting them bring up children, I don't agree it is a stable environment, and it certainly is not a normal one
Being told I must accept them kissing in the street. They can do their immoral practices in the privacy of their own homes
Being told I am bigoted for my views. If that is the case, call Jesus a bigot when you do. If opposing this practice is bigoted, I am happy to be a bigot.
I have probably missed something, but this is one subject I will not be budged on, and one subject i really won't bow to political correctness



I am sure that the above may sound like a right zero tolerance gripped nation with a population under attack permanently, but if I were ever in power I would find the correct balance.

[Charon]

"The beef I really have against smokers is that they also make me breathe their smoke. I shouldn't be punished for their stupidity either in the womb or a pub."

Personally I don't think all of us do force you to. I try not to smoke around small children. I won't just light up in your house, I'll happily go stand in the agrden and smoke in the outdoors. As for pubs, I don't see why they don't do what they used to do in the past. Growing up the pub my parents took us to had a room for smoking and a room for family. That simple. It's my right to smoke as much as it is yours not to, and somewhere along the line we have to find a happy medium. Many pubs have a beer garden, why not make smoking only allowed in the beer garden?
I don;t think I agree that alcohol shoudl be banned. But tighter controls on strength and avilability are a good idea.

My official stance on homosexuality is as follows. Morally, I have no objections. I have no beef with gay people, I've been lucky enough to have some good friends who are gay. But I do agree that it is "naturally" wrong. We evolved two genders for a reason. I agree that gay people shouldn't be allowed to bring up a child. That might sound quite harsh, and I'm not doubting their ability as a parent. But I think it forces the child into seeing homosexuality as the norm, and no matter how much it's accepted, it is not the norm, if it were the human race would die out. I don't mind seeing gay people kiss any more than I do regular couples, but I sure don't want it rammed in my face. I've actually been out clubbing in the gay district with my friend Karl (It was his birthday so we decided we'd indulge him and go with him to gay clubs for the night). And actually, it wasn't as in your face as I mght have expected. Was a fairly good night in fact, had a right laugh at two guys doing synchronised dancing to Kylie. :D But I do hate males who are overly camp, that fit the limp wristing silly voiced stereotype. And I don't think you're a bigot for being against it. There is no right or wrong side on this particular arguement imo. Both sides can be argued validly so it's ultimately a draw, but damn good discussion surely. :)

Now, I have a date with some non gay vampires that require slaying, so off to Neverwinter Nights I go.

[Locke]

"2. Death sentance is way too harsh for some things. Drugs like Heroin, Amphetemines, and Ecstacy, I agree. For pot... not a chance. Pot doesn't do anything permanent, really, or at least nothing more permanent then ... say, smoking cigarettes or drinking. Both are more harmful to an individual then Marijuana. Trust me, I've done the research."

Death sentence for dropping an ecstasy? That's still harsh.
I didn't mean for doing the drugs... if someone wants to mess their life up in that manner, that should be their own business to me, but to be caught dealing any of those.... that's where I think it should come in. As to the e... I personally hate the stuff due to a friend of mine getting hooked on it for a while (and having done it for 2 years or so as well), so that's just why I'm against it so much.

As to LSD... that doesn't kill people, just removes their ability to think rationally and might be the cause behind people doing something that kills them... but otherwise you would normally just become a vegetable if you get bad stuff or take too much... but meh, that wasn't the bulk of what you said.

I'm also assuming it was 1/8 of an o, not a g that you were talking about :p And that drinker vs. smoker song... awesome song ;) Very accurate lyrics :D

[BAMAToNE]

My official stance on homosexuality is as follows. Morally, I have no objections. I have no beef with gay people, I've been lucky enough to have some good friends who are gay. But I do agree that it is "naturally" wrong. We evolved two genders for a reason. I agree that gay people shouldn't be allowed to bring up a child. That might sound quite harsh, and I'm not doubting their ability as a parent. But I think it forces the child into seeing homosexuality as the norm, and no matter how much it's accepted, it is not the norm, if it were the human race would die out. I don't mind seeing gay people kiss any more than I do regular couples, but I sure don't want it rammed in my face. I've actually been out clubbing in the gay district with my friend Karl (It was his birthday so we decided we'd indulge him and go with him to gay clubs for the night). And actually, it wasn't as in your face as I mght have expected. Was a fairly good night in fact, had a right laugh at two guys doing synchronised dancing to Kylie. :D But I do hate males who are overly camp, that fit the limp wristing silly voiced stereotype. And I don't think you're a bigot for being against it. There is no right or wrong side on this particular arguement imo. Both sides can be argued validly so it's ultimately a draw, but damn good discussion surely. :)I think this most closely parallels my views. I'm not sure it would be entirely legal to outlaw the raising of children (adopting) by gays, but I agree that, all things being equal, a child should be raised by a mother and father. That said, if the only way an orphaned child is ever going to get any parental love is by being adopted by two gay people, then as long as they love this child as their own, I don't see a problem with it.

[SeymourGuado]

It's my right to smoke as much as it is yours not to,I fundamentally disagree with this statement. heard it too many times:) It is not your right to smoke around people who are non smokers because it damages their health. It is my right to walk down the street along side you, as long as I don't carry a deadly disease :)

In time, even this country will ban it from all public places. The sooner the better. I await the day this crap habit dies out:)

[Locke]

I fundamentally disagree with this statement. heard it too many times:) It is not your right to smoke around people who are non smokers because it damages their health. It is my right to walk down the street along side you, as long as I don't carry a deadly disease :)

In time, even this country will ban it from all public places. The sooner the better. I await the day this crap habit dies out:)It would be your right to travel down the street beside whoever you like, so's long as you didn't infect them. Also, if your that concerned with smokers polluting the air your breathing... stop breathing secondhand air :p

As to the whole homosexual thing.... I agree with every point you made except the last one in your first group of bullets. I know of some that do have longstanding relationships, I just don't think it's remotely natural. What they do in their own homes is their business... but it's still not right.

As to smoking in public places, here in PEI it's illegal to smoke in a public building except for designated smoking area's in bars/pubs and to smoke within 15 feet of a door to a public place. I also won't bother sparking up a smoke if I'm at a non-smokers house (unless they make a point of saying they don't care if people smoke in their places, then it's fair game), and no smoker will care that much if they need to go outside to smoke. I've found that those of us who smoke are much more laid back in that then people would seem to think.

Anyways, that's enough from me for now.

[SeymourGuado]

I wouldn't mind if I could avoid second hand smoke, but it is my right to go to a pub...I shouldn't have to put up with people smoking.

Also I hear the following arguments all the time, I will now shoot each one down.







If you drive a car, you are a hypocrit, they pollute! A. Yeah they are also more or less an essential part of everyday life for most of us whereas smoking is a pointless habit and just as many smokers drive as non smokers probably. I don't drive anyway:)
You drink beer...why have you got such a problem with smokers? A - Most drinkers also smoke. That is the first thing. Secondly, smelling someones beer is not going to give me "second hand liver disease". If I go to a pub I expect to see beer, not smell smoke. Perhaps you should make a new house "Smokers Public Houses" where you will be more than welcome to kill yourselves from all your pointless habits.
I have as much right to smoke as you not doing. A - Answered below. You don't.
There are no smoking area's in Pubs. What is your problem? A - Proven to be unreliable and mostly ineffective. Smoke travels. It does not obey "No Smoking Beyond This Point" signs. In most pubs, atleast in the UK, there are no such area's anyway.
Live and let live Man! A - I might live if you stop breathing your smoke on me pal, especially if you are my parents and I am in the womb assholes!
I will add more if I hear themhttp://forums.rpgamers.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Locke]

There are no smoking area's in Pubs. What is your problem? A - Proven to be unreliable and mostly ineffective. Smoke travels. It does not obey "No Smoking Beyong This Point" signs. In most pubs, atleast in the UK, there are no such area's anyway.
If done properly, it works. We have specific rooms that must be vented directly outside for smoking rooms in PEI. If you wanna smoke, you gotta cram into a (most likely) very small smoking room with whoever else and smoke there. I think that might be Canada wide now, actually. Brittain should possibly follow up, it's made things alot simpler in the argument on smoking in public places over here http://forums.rpgamers.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[SeymourGuado]

We can't get our justice system right Locke, so I wouldn't hope for the UK being effective any time this centuryhttp://forums.rpgamers.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://forums.rpgamers.net/images/smilies/knockedout.gif

[Locke]

We can't get our justice system right Locke, so I wouldn't hope for the UK being effective any time this centuryhttp://forums.rpgamers.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://forums.rpgamers.net/images/smilies/knockedout.gifThat is true, but justice systems everywheres are corrupt or just plain incompetant (though I don't have that much of a beef with ours, which is derived from your's ironically enough). It would work to set up the pubs in that manner though :wonder:

[kai]

On the Topic Of Marijuana -

"Over 85 per cent of the people we consulted who used cannabis are currently relying on illegal sources for their supply of cannabis," said Lynne Bell-Isle, who worked on the 18-month project for the society.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/06/14/medical-marijuana.html

Even those who have the governments permission to smoke marijuana have to go to illegal sources.

I'd say the government might as well benefit from marijuana use even if they had to put heavy penalties on those who smoked it outside of their homes.

[Charon]

Wow! O_O That's what I like to see, everyone getting fired up. :D

Let me address a few points.

Bama, agree totally. There's nothing wrong with a gay couple adopting a child in that scenario, but as mentioned earlier I dont think it should become "the norm".

Seymour.
"It is my right to walk down the street along side you, as long as I don't carry a deadly disease"

Fair enough. Then will you all stop going into shops when you're ill? You think I want to stand behind a counter whilst customers cough and sneeze and give me their colds year in and year out? Or the ones with manky warts on their hands handing over money? I don't want warts any more than you want to breathe my smoke. But sometimes we just have to deal with it. As for walking down the street, the smoke from my cigarette does indeed pale in comparison to the exhaust fumes you're breathing in at the same time. Outside really isn't an issue. As I said in a previous post I've been in pubs with dedicated smoking rooms, not areas, with doors so they are closed off from the rest. Ok it's not perfect but we're trying. And as for smoking dying out? Unlikely.
"Tobacco smoking, using both pipes and cigars, was common to many Native American cultures of the Americas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas). It is depicted in the art of the Classic-era Maya civilization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_civilization) about 1,500 years ago."

Try and stop people doing something they've been doing for 1'500 years. It isn't gonna happen overnight.

I can't really think of much more to say on the matter other than the fact that the risks of passive smoking are yet another thing to have been blown out of proportion by the media. If your only contact with smoke was walking down the street with me as I have a cigarette, you ain't gonna get lung cancer. I'm not saying repeated heavy exposure won't damage your health, but walking alongside me ain't gonna kill you. I've been smoking 10 years now, and I don't have lung cancer. Think how many cigarettes I've smoked in that time. Now imagine just how many you'd have to passive smoke to get lung cancer? Quite a lot I'd imagine. Some people can smoke for 50 years without getting cancer. The dangers of passive smoking are with long term exposure. Such as working in a smoky environment for 30 years, or being brought up by smoking parents who knock back 40 a day whilst holding the baby.
http://www.bupa.co.uk/health_information/html/health_news/270503smoke.html

Bupa. They do know what they are talking about one would hope. Have a read. :)

[SeymourGuado]

You think I want to stand behind a counter whilst customers cough and sneeze and give me their colds year in and year out?
Flawed argument. Colds are normal, they are natural and are unavoidable. (people with colds should stay away from others anyway if they have any decency). Smoking is unnatural, it is a pointless habit that kills 1 in 4 users. It has no purpose and needs banning.

passive smoking is bad in places like pubs, the ones I have been in it is awful I feel like shouting "I don't want your smoke, you wanna kill yourself do it on your own time".

passive smoking is very bad for developing babies in and out of the womb, it is bad for children growing up in households. It is a proven fact that smoking is dangerous to an extent to users and second hand users. It shouldn't be bad for second hand users, cause there shouldn't be one.

Seifer Almasy

[Geosgaeno]

well as of next year its good bye smoking in pubs....its a God send.

i like Seymour detest these idiots in pubs puffing away like bloody chimneys, they cant have 1 cigarette, they need 100....EACH, i turned around in our local Pub and it was just like mist off FF9 coming towards me, there was no escape it had blocked the exits.

i havnt a problem with people carrying colds aslong as they cover their mouths etc when they cough, but they dont, you get these vermin type people spluttering all over you, they need bumping!!!

as for outside passive smoking not being an issue, i think it is. You say its irrelevant due to the polution etc, true, but the pollution is un-noticable whilst you breathe outside...i doesnt make you choke unlike cigarette smoke. If i had world domination, ever atom of tobacco would be jettisoned into space

[kai]

the way I see it is we smokers give that little bit more money to the government everytime we buy a pack of smokes. That money is in turn building our cities, paving our streets. We put that little bit more in, so really we have more right to those streets and side walks than none smokes.

[SeymourGuado]

True but no study(?) has gone into how much smokers take away from our taxes due to health problems. (and let us face it there are TONS)

[kai]

http://www.tobacco.org/news/178588.html

HEALTH Care for smokers costs the country $5million annually, Prime Minister Laisenia Qarase says.

I guess in Fiji smokers cost the country a fair bit however I wonder if that incorporates the money they put back in? (I was going to look for other examples but I don't really want to take the time at the moment to go look, maybe later today)

[kai]

Edit :

Ok I found an article on forestonline that says "In the UK, for example, tobacco tax revenue currently stands at £7 billion a year compared with the £1.5 billion it allegedly costs to tackle 'smoking-related' diseases. "

http://www.forestonline.org/output/page22.asp

If that is any indication on what the rest of the world is like then I don't think the government will be cutting smoking anytime soon.

[SeymourGuado]

Probably true (not sure how offcial that is btw), however smoking will die out...in time, it will pass and people will look back and say "what dicks they were to smoke in the first place..man what a silly era"

[kai]

Define official? Seems pretty accurate to me when you think about the cost of a pack of smokes and the number of people who still smoke them. I won't deny that smoking will one day be banned (who knows how long it will take them at this rate) and probably should, however I am enjoying this nasty habit for the time being.

[SeymourGuado]

Official is a non government external public body that properly examines the evidence. There are a few such organisations and thinktanks in britain. Those are the sources to trust. (mind you, offcial government not too bad usually unless they're spinning it)

[Locke]

(mind you, offcial government not too bad usually unless the spinning it)
I wouldn't trust anything put on an official government site, chance are it's wrong or show's only what the government want's it to be ;)

[SeymourGuado]

Yeah thats the spin parthttp://forums.rpgamers.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Locke]

Yeah thats the spin parthttp://forums.rpgamers.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gifIt was the unless line that confused me. They do it too often for me to trust anything from a government site. Pretty much the only thing I'd really trust would be a university site reporting it...

[SeymourGuado]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/5110842.stm

A vampire rapist has got a "life" term but guess what? YES YOU GUESSED IT he will be elligible for parole in just 12 years. So...it isn't life! DUH

Already let out early for a previous attack on a woman with a knife

"He had served less than half of a five-year jail term for repeatedly stabbing another woman."

So 2.5 years for a savage knife attack in Britain folks! Criminals are the boss in my country!

He is obviously a serious threat and should be executed with immediate effect.

He should have been executed for the savage knife attack, Then there wouldn't have been a second crime. In my country if you attack someone with a knife and they die, you may get anywhere between 8-30 years, but will probably serve HALF the sentence you are given. If you attack someone with a knife but they don't die...hell thats ok! 2-5 years is all we can spare you.

Then come out and rape/kill/torture/maim someone in a frenzied attack! BLISS

Hey Tony Blair, I have a new election slogan for you. Forget Education,education,education. Try:

Execution, execution, execution instead!

[kai]

Might as well kill him if he thinks he's a vampire. He must already be dead and shouldn't mind :D .

[SeymourGuado]

How do you kill an undead?

In breath of fire 3 it is cure magic? Final Fantasy can be Holy or Cure.

I think I will go armed with a megaelixir :)

Did anyone ever notice the text mistake in Final Fantasy VII (Great Glacier area) where instead of it saying you had recieved a "megaelixir" it said you had recieved "Last Elixir" ;)

Just thought I would mention...a game mistake;)

[kai]

I think the last elixer was ment to mean "it's the LAST elixer". You are about to fight the boss and there are no more past it. That's what I took from it anyways, I thought it was a clever idea.

[SeymourGuado]

nah it is a mistake;) because you don't recieve an elixir, you gain a megaelixir

[kai]

A megaelixer is still an elixer, it just heals everyone. So it still would be the last elixer you receive. I doubt they would say last megalixer.



Edit - fixed a few mistakes, nothing else

[SeymourGuado]

I have been through FF7 script...there are plenty of mistakes so it isn't really that unbelievable;)

Even in the gold saucer battle round to carry on it says "Off Course" instead of "Of Course" and there are many more:)

Last Elixir just sounds very silly...unless it really was the last elixir which it isn't because you get plenty afterwards

Anyway I have gone off topichttp://forums.rpgamers.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[kai]

Unbelievable no, but I'm just throwing out a different view point. It's too bad you can't even consider one that isn't your own :nana: (j/k)

That could very well be the case, as for elixers afterward . . . . . were there? Haven't played the game in a long time so I don't really remember all the locations of every elixer. In all honesty it seems pretty likely it was a translation error but a man can dream can he :zzz:

[SeymourGuado]

Unbelievable no, but I'm just throwing out a different view point. It's too bad you can't even consider one that isn't your own :nana: (j/k)No need to joke....in this case I entirely agree with this statementhttp://forums.rpgamers.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[SeymourGuado]

Yes in a bizarre twist, a judge in Britain deemed that the defendant could walk free after sentencing him to 6 months in jail for attacking a bar tender.

After passing sentence the criminal started crying (later admitting it was for himself and not his victim) so the judge quashed the sentence and let him go free!

So there you go people, if you happen to attack someone and get this judge, turn on the taps and you will be free!

What a joke. Read all about the farce below:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/5153600.stm

The Landlord summed it up:

"I did things by the book, and he's totally got away with it. That's British justice for you."

Yes...and when will we start demanding something is done about it?

[kai]

I think this fits in your thread devoted to Britain's wrong doings . . .

The home life of every child in the country is to be recorded on a national database in the ultimate intrusion of the nanny state, it has emerged.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=392629&in_page_id=1770

[SeymourGuado]

I am for a national database of DNA:) I think we should all be recorded dna wise, that way no crime would ever be left unsolved..or almost.

[kai]

I am for a national database of DNA:) I think we should all be recorded dna wise, that way no crime would ever be left unsolved..or almost.
That doesn't change the fact the criminal won't be punished. We'll know who they are, and we'll see them walking down the street too.

[SeymourGuado]

Not if they comitt a crime, then we just scan the dna found at the crime scene. Positive match = no escape from the law DNA should almost certainly provide a conviction.

This British government won't do that though, they will just ruin the idea and mess it all up like they usually do

[kai]

Anything can become invisible when you choose not to look at it.

[SeymourGuado]

not with DNA :) and other evidence, the chance of true conviction is near 100% and much better than today, where we have rapists and murderers running about and massive search teams trying to piece together a puzzle (at great cost to the tax payer) With DNA, their first suspect is 99.999% likely to be the very one who did the crime.

To me, the end justifies the means and in this case, DNA database is something I could gladly tolerate.

britain is a soft touch so we won't be seeing it:)

[kai]

Why does it matter if you catch the criminals (is the point I'm trying to make)? Isn't the point you are trying to make with this thread, criminals in Britain have it easy?

[SeymourGuado]

both. They have it easy and they also get let off on technicalities which DNA evidence would erradicate.

Some are not proven and get away with it so:

a. Criminals should get tougher sentences
b. More criminals should be convicted

[Yuffie]

Bring back the guillotin-.....oh what...? We have to be "civilised" nowadays? :(

That was when the justice system was at its best. :flaguk:

[SeymourGuado]

http://forums.rpgamers.net/images/smilies/evilgrin.gifI prefer the rope

http://forums.rpgamers.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[kai]

I just thought this was funny, seeing as how you love Microsoft Seymour :D

Microsoft voted Britain's favourite brand
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33155

[SeymourGuado]

The sony playstation 3 will put microsoft where it belongs, it aint out yet here. Doesn't suprise me, british public is thick!:D

WOooooT Love nanosoft weeeeee 111!!!11!!1!!1! ........

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Edit:

I just noticed that someone, probably Kilu, edited my post by adding the sarcastic line : " WOooooT Love nanosoft weeeeee 111!!!11!!1!!1! ........"

Obviously the person who did this disagree's with my view and doesn't like the truth that PS3 kicks ass. Rather than say this to my face, he chose to edit the post days (or months) later.

Whoever edited is a fool! This is one of the reasons so many arguments involving me happen on this site. Some people, especially 1 or 2 mods do little tricks like this; blatantly making trouble.

I know I didn't do it because: I don't understand "nanosoft" I never use 111!!!111 and I don't use Woooot either.

DLPB

[Yuffie]

The rope as in hanging...?

That's not very entertaining...

[SeymourGuado]

yeah but why waste money on metal and sharpening blades...the rope is nice, quick and cheap.http://forums.rpgamers.net/images/smilies/evilgrin.gif

On another note what you doing up at this timehttp://forums.rpgamers.net/images/smilies/eyepopping.gif

[kai]

The rope as in hanging...?

That's not very entertaining...
That really depends on if their neck breaks when they fall. If not it could make for some depressing entertainment.

[SeymourGuado]

If done right this should not happen, anyway they then choke to death:) even I have to say a quick death is more humane but if they happened to choke...so be it

[SeymourGuado]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/5246612.stm

If you are under 18 in my country you can expect to get low or no sentence no matter what the crime (anyone remember the brutal Bulger Killers).

Now a 14 year old who raped a 12 year old recieves no sentence. 2 questions arise:

1. Why is this kind of youth crime happening so frequently when pre abolishion of death sentence/tough sentence it was rare or non existant.

2. What kind of message does this send out to others?

Well I can answer this. The first question is a rhetorical question. The second, the answer is, it tells all other pre 18 year olds that they are above the law and that as "little darlings" they can do what the hell they like in our soft pathetic country.

I have a better idea. Reinstate death penalty, reinstate tough laws, send this little bastard to borstal until 18, where he will then be shipped directly to jail for 20 years for this crime.
MINIMUM SENTENCE, NO APPEALS, NO DELAY, NO PAROLE!

Once again, we show the world why we have one of the largest crime rate in the world for % population!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21902 is just 1 site I found on my small search.

I will be back again soon, because theer are lots more true sad stories piling up on the BBC etc, sadly noone is really doing anything because my country is NOT UP TO IT

DLPB

[Galthol]

If you havent read it yet, I really recommand picking up starship troopers. theres nice little section detailing the 'troubles', (bascily major crime wave right across the globe) and what was done. (basicly a group of scottish war vetrans startted kicking butt in their own home town and then it spread. Untill war vetreans were the only ones who could vote. (Thats not what the book is about but I still think you might enjoy it.

[SeymourGuado]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/4791439.stm

Mysterious Vigilante seems to be stalking one area where he sees people driving whilst using mobile phones.

Because of the state of our laws, sentences and so forth people do as they please. If this vigilante is fair, I sallute him. More tyres to be slashed please.

MOBILE PHONES AND BAD DRIVERS KILL.


"Whoever is doing this may feel that he or she has some sort of justification but there is never any excuse to vandalise the property of others."

Yes there is, anyone messes with me, I won't bother with our useless laws, I will just wait a few month then get revenge

"These incidents are being taken very seriously as we appreciate that criminal damage has a very real and detrimental effect on the victims."

Yeah, so does a bad driver when he kills your children because he/she was ona mobile phone being a pillock Oh and yes, it has an effect on the CRIMINAL and acts as a DETERRENT, I wondered why the establishment was against Vigilante!

Rebecca Rendle: "There's a loony"

Yes love, it is you for using a mobile whilst driving.

[SeymourGuado]

Yes, it has been a while since I stoked up this particular article, but I just couldn't resist after seeing yet another liberal minded, backwards and hypocritical stance on British Law.

A 12 Year old girl "decided" to go to Pakistan to live with her father after her mother won rights to custody in a UK court.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/highlands_and_islands/5304126.stm

This raises 3 questions:

1. Does UK law apply to Muslims in the UK?

2. Is this action illegal and should the girl be returned?

3. How should the law deal with this?

Well, I can again answer!

1. Uk law does apply to muslims, but it has to be said that many pakistani origin muslims wanted for crimes, flee back to pakistan and remain untouched. I neglected many news items this year where such a thing happened. Not to mention Islamic terrorists who do it all the time.

2. Yes, it is illegal. The girl is 12, she does not have rights under our law to make this decision. Her mother was granted custody and thus our laws apply. Unfortunately an interfering Muslim MP decided to intervene, and also, our law is scared of being called racist so will seemingly let the girl stay there! Our laws will be ignored simply because this is an ethnic "minority" situation. If this father was from Australia I reckon the girl would be back here in the UK by now. But..."ONE RULE FOR ONE AND ONE FOR ANOTHER"

3. The law should work the following way. The father should be banned from returning to the UK. The girl should be returned until she is old enough to legally make the decision.

I for one cannot honestly believe that this is completely the 12 year old girls decision. It is a clear fact that many girls are forced to muslim countries for female circumcision, arranged marriges with men much older and are also forced to leave the country. The girl can choose when OUR law says she is ready, not when the muslims see fit to inflict THEIR laws on MY country.

Regardless this is a criminal act and one that the father looks to be getting away with.

"And my name isn't Molly, it is Misbah."

Learn that in a normal UK school ey Molly? I think not! Too many here, decide they are muslim first British second, it is time it was stopped.

"Glasgow MP Mohammed Sarwar went to Pakistan on Thursday to help mediate on the matter."

Replace the word 'Mediate' with 'Interfere' please BBC

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In other news:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5306792.stm

All I have to say to this is...FUCK OFF! Freddie Mercury was a genius, gay or not! Whilst I agree Homosexual behaviour is abnormal, immoral and not good for society, what they do in private is THEIR affair, and what is in question here is celebrating one of the greatest song writers in history!

[SeymourGuado]

The following is a not finished list of affiliates to Islam in this country. Unfortunately what most cannot see is that, in time, this kind of divisiveness is going to breed war. How on Earth can we be expected to have 2 completely different cultures, with ghetto's rife, living side by side? What a joke!

Association of Muslim Schools (UK), Leicester
Bolton Mosques Council for Community Care
Confederation of Sunni Mosques Midlands (CSM), Birmingham
Coordinating Committee of Nigerian Muslim Organisations, London
Council of Mosques, London & Southern Counties, London
Da' watul Islam UK & Eire, London
Federation of Muslim Organisations in Leicestershire, Leicester
Federation of the Students Islamic Societies in the UK & Eire (FOSIS), London
Indian Muslim Federation, London
Islamic Forum Europe, London
Islamic Forum Europe - North Branch, Sunderland
Islamic Society of Britain, Birmingham
Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith UK, Birmingham
Jamiat-e-Ulema Britain, Bradford
Lancashire Council of Mosques, Blackburn
Muslim Doctors and Dentists Association, Birmingham
Muslim Solidarity Committee, New Malden
Muslim Students Society UK & Eire, Manchester
Muslim Welfare House, London
Muslim Women's Association, London
Muslim Women's Society in the UK & Ireland
Pakistan Welfare Association UK, Surrey
Sussex Muslim Society, Sussex
UK Action Committee on Islamic Affairs, Surrey
UK Islamic Mission (Euston)
UK Turkish Islamic Association
World Federation of KSIMC, Middx
Young Muslims UK, Markfield
Young Muslim Organisation UK, London

LOCAL & SPECIALIST BODIES

Aalami Majlise Tahaffuze Khatme Nubuwwat, London
Abdullah Quilliam Society, Liverpool
Al-Asr Scholastic Research Estb. Hounslow
Albanian Islamic Society & Centre, London
Al-Falah, Bradford
Al-Furqan Charity Trust, London
Al-Hijra Somali Community, London
Al-Hijrah School, Birmingham
Al Jamiah Al Islamiyah (Darul Uloom Lancs), Preston
Al-Muttaqiin, Surrey
Al-Asr Scholastic Research Estb, Hounslow
Anjuman-E-Faroghe-E-Asa
Anjuman-e-Saifee (Leicester), Oadby
Arab Social League of Edinburgh, Edinburgh
Association of British Hujajj, Birmingham
Association of Muslim Lawyers, High Wycombe
Association of Muslim Professionals, Cardiff
Association of Muslim Researchers, London
Association of Muslim Teachers And Lecturers, Blackburn
Association of Muslims With Disabilities, London
Azhar Academy, London
Azmat-e-Islam Mosque, Oldham
Baitul-Aman Islamic Mission, Wembley
Balham Mosque, London
Battersea Mosque & Islamic Centre, London
Bazme Tolu-e-Islam, London
Bedford International Islamic Society, Bedford
Belfast Islamic Centre, Belfast
Bengali Community Education Centre, London
Birmingham Central Mosque, Birmingham
Blackburn Council of Mosques, Blackburn
Blackpool Islamic Community Centre & Mosque, Blackpool
Bolton Muslim Welfare Trust, Bolton
Bosnia & Herzegovina Islamic Centre, London
Bradford Muslim Welfare Society, Bradford
Brent Islamic Circle, London
Brighton Islamic Mission, Sussex
Bristol Islamic Schools Trust, Bristol
Brondesbury College for Boys, London
Caribbean Islamic Association, London
Central Jamia Masjid, Wakefield
Central Mosque Ghamgolvia, Birmingham
Centre for International Policy Studies, London
Childrens Relief Fund, Markfield
Council of Islamic Affairs, Blackburn,
Coventry Cross Mosque and Islamic Community Centre, London
Crawley Ethnic Community Voluntary Action, West Sussex
Croydon Mosque and Islamic Centre, Surrey
Dar Al-Arqam Islamic Centre, Bradford
Dar Ul Amaan Islamic Centre, London
Dar Uloom Al Arabiya Al Islamiya, Bury
Darus Salam Mosque, Leicester Mosque Trust, Leicester
East London Mosque Trust Ltd, London
Edmonton Islamic Center
Education Aid, London
Elland Mosque Association, Elland
Ethnic Community Voluntary Action
European Institute of Human Science
Friends of Al-Aqsa, Leicester
Gardens of Peace, Muslim Cemetery Trust
Ghour Ghusti Welfare Association, Birmingham
Granby Somali Women's Group, Liverpool
Gulzar-E-Madina Mosque, Leicester
Halal Consumers Ltd, Birmingham
Hanafi Sunni Muslim Circle - UK
Harbour World of Children
Harrow Islamic Society, North Harrow
Hinckley Muslim Association, Leicester
Hounslow Jamia Masjid, Ashford
Human Relief Foundation, Bradford
Human Rights Society of Pakistan, London
Husayni Madrasah, Middlesex
Ibn Rushid Society, Wolverhampton
Immigrants Funeral Society, Bradford
Imperial College Islamic Society, London
Indian Muslim Association, Leicester
Indian Muslim Welfare Society, Batley
International Forum for Islamic Dialogue, London
International Institute of Kashmir Studies, London
International Khatme-e-Nubuwwat Mission, Bolton
Interpal Palestinian Relief And Development Fund, London
IQRA Trust, London
Islamia Schools' Trust, London
Islamic Academy, London
Islamic & Cultural Society of Harrow
Islamic Association of North London, London
Islamic Centre, Birmingham, Birmingham
Islamic Centre, Masjid-e-Abu Bakr, Preston
Islamic College, London
Islamic Community Centre, Tottenham, London
Islamic Computing Centre, London
Islamic Council of Europe, London
Islamic Cultural and Education Centre, London
Islamic Educational Society (Nur Ul Islam Mosque), Blackburn
Islamic Education Trust (Masjid Al-Falah), Leicester
Islamic Educational & Cultural Centre, Birmingham
Islamic Educational & Recreational Institute, Middx
Islamic Forum Europe - Manchester Branch, Manchester
Islamic Forum Europe-London Branch, London
Islamic Forum Europe-Loughborough Branch, Loughborough
Islamic Foundation, Markfield
Islamic Information Centre Hastings, St Leonards
Islamic Relief London, London
Islamic Relief Agency (ISRA) (Birmingham), Birmingham
Islamic Shariah Council, London
Islamic Society of Britain Bradford Branch
Islamic Society of Britain Glasgow Branch, Glasgow
Islamic Society of Britain - Liverpool Branch
Islamic Society of Britain London Branch
Islamic Society of Britain Manchester Branch, Manchester
Islamic Society of Faithful, London
Ittehadul Masjid, Huddersfield
Jame Mosque- Leicester,
Jamia Mosque and Islamic Centre, Birmingham
Jamia Masjid, Blackburn
Jamia Mosque (Hansdworth Islamic Centre), Birmingham
Jamia Musjid (Doncaster), Doncaster
Jamia Musjid (Rotterham), Rotherham
Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith, Bradford
Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith, Derby
Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith, Dewsbury
Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith, Leytonstone, London
Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith, Maidstone
Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith (Redhill), Redhill
Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith, Skipton
Jamiat Ittihad Ul-Muslimin (Glasgow Central Mosque), Glasgow
Jamiate Nizame Islam, Birmingham
Jamitul Imam, Bradford,
Kafel Fund (UK), London
Karima Institute, Nottingham
Kashmir Council for Human Rights, Otterbourne
Kingston Muslim Association, Kingston
Kokani Muslims - Golders Green, London
Ladybridge Muslim Society
Lebanese Muslim League, London
Leeds Grand Mosque, Leeds
Leicester Muslim Society (Masjid Noor), Leicester
Lewisham & Kent Islamic Centre, Catford
Lewisham & Kent Islamic Centre (Chistlehurst), Chistlehurst
Leytonstone Islamic Association, London
Livingston Mosque and Community Centre, Livingston
London Guildhall University Islamic Society, London
London School of Economics Islamic Society, London
Madinatul Uloom & Islamic Centre, Bradford
Madinatul Uloom, Sommerfield
Madnai Jamia Masjid, Huddersfield
Madnai Jamia Masjid & Islamic Centre, Sheffield
Madani Jamia Masjid & Madrassa, Preston
Madras-E-Naqibul Islam
Madressa alArabia alIslamia, Glasgow
Majlis Sautul Quraan, Accrington
Makki Masjid (Sheffield), Sheffield
Manchester Islamic Schools, Manchester
Markazi Mosque & Islamic Centre, Sheffield
Markazi Jame Mosque Riza, Huddersfield
Masjid Al Hidayah, Blackburn
Masjid and Madrasah Al-Tawhid, London
Masjid Imam Bukhari - Leicester, Leicester
Masjid Noor (Huddersfield), Huddersfield
Masjid Tauheedul Islam, Blackburn
Masjid-e-Anisul Islam, Blackburn
Masjid-e-Falah, Preston Muslim School
Masjid-e-Irfan, Blackburn
Masjid-e-Rizwan Mosque, Blackburn
Masjid -e-Sajideen, Blackburn
Masjid-e-Saliheen, Blackburn
Masjid-e-Tabuk/ Evington Muslim Centre, Leicester
Masjid-e-Usman (Huddersfield), Huddersfield
Maulana Nisar Dawah Trust, Birmingham
Mauritian Islamic Welfare Association, London
Mayfair Islamic Centre, London
Memon Association UK, London
Muath Welfare Trust / Bordesley Centre, Birmingham
Muslim Aid, London
Muslim Association of Bradford (Central Mosque), Bradford
Muslim Association of Britain, London
Muslim Burial Council of Leicestershire, Leicester
Muslim Care, London
Muslim Community and Education Centre, London
Muslim Cultural Heritage Centre Trust, London
Muslim Cultural and Welfare Association of Sutton, Surrey
Muslim Directory, London
Muslim Education Co-ordinating Council, East Croydon
Muslim Education Forum, Bingley
Muslim Educational Consultative Committee, Birmingham
Muslim Educational Trust (London), London
Muslim Foundation Handworth, Birmingham
Muslim Girls High School, Leeds
Muslim Information Centre, London
Muslim Investment Corporation Ltd
Muslim Network (Scotland), Glasgow
Muslim Sisters Jamaat, London
Muslim Teachers' Association, London
Muslim Welfare Association of Vale of Glamorgan
Muslim Welfare Board, London
Muslim Welfare House, Durham
Muslim Welfare House, Newcastle Upon Tyne
Muslim Welfare House, Sheffield
Muslim Welfare House, Glasgow
Muslim Welfare Institute, Blackburn
Muslim Welfare Trust, Leicester
Muslim Women's League, London
Muslim Women's Helpline, Wembley
Muslim World League, London
Muslimaat - Sheffield Association of Muslim Women, Sheffield
Muslimaat UK, London
Narborough Raod Islamic Center, Leicester
Nasserpuria Memon UK, Wembley
Neeli Mosque & Islamic Centre, Rochdale
Newham North Islamic Association, London
Nuneaton Muslim Welfare & Cultural Assoc, Nuneaton
Omar Welfare House, Leeds
Paigham -e-Islam Trust, Birmingham
Pakistan Association of Leicestershire, Leicester
Pakistani Association, Liverpool
Palestinian Return Centre, London
Preston Muslim Girls Secondary School, Preston
Preston Muslim Society, Masjid-e-Salaam
Preston Muslim Society, Jamea Mosque, Preston
Preston Muslim Society, Preston
Quranic Study Circle, Liverpool
Redridge & Chigwell Muslim Association, Essex
Redbridge Muslim Womens Social Group, Essex
Seerah Society, London
Selbourne Muslim Welfare Society, Dewsbury
Shah Jahan Mosque (Woking), Woking
Shah Poran Masjid and Islamic Centre Trust, London
Shia Ithna-Asheri Community of Middx (SICM), Oxhey
Shia Ithna Ashri Islamic Centre, Glasgow
Somali Welfare Centre
Somali Speakers Association, London
Somali Welfare Centre, London
Somali Women's Group, Liverpool
South London Mosque & Islamic Centre, London
Southwark Muslim Women's Association, London
Sunni Razvi Muslim Society, Thornton Heath, Surrey
Sutton Islamic Society, Sutton
Ta Ha Publishers, London
Tawakkulia Islamic Society, Bradford
Tehreek-e-Minhajul Quran, London
The Harbour, London
The Islamic Center & Leicester Central Mosque, Leicester
The Liverpool Islamic Institute and Mosque, Liverpool
The Matliwala Family Charitable Trust, Preston
The Trust for Human Resources & Relief, London
Tottenham Mosque, London
Trends Magazine, Oldham
UK Islamic Education Waqf, London
UK Islamic Mission Birmingham, Birmingham
UK Islamic Mission, Bradford
UK Islamic Mission, Burnley
UK Islamic Mission, Cardiff
UK Islamic Mission (East Ham), London
UK Islamic Mission Glasgow North, Glasgow
UK Islamic Mission, Glasgow
UK Islamic Mission (Hull), Hull
UK Islamic Mission, Keighley
UK Islamic Mission Leicester
UK Islamic Mission, Liverpool
UK Islamic Mission, Luton
UK Islamic Mission, Manchester
UK Islamic Mission, Nelson Branch
UK Islamic Mission, New Malden
UK Islamic Mission, Oldham
UK Islamic Mission Peterborough
UK Islamic Mission (Rochdale), Rochdale
UK Islamic Mission, Sheffield
UK Islamic Mission, South Birmingham Branch
UK Islamic Mission Walsall, Walsall
UK Islamic Mission, Wolverhampton
UKIM (Ibrahim Mosque, Plaistow), London
UKIM (Madina Masjid, Nelson), Nelson
UKIM (Madina Mosque, Manchester), Manchester
UKIM (Masjid & Islamic Centre, B'ham), Birmingham
UKIM (Masjid Noor, Blackburn), Blackburn
UKIM (New Malden Ladies Circle), New Malden
Union of Muslim Families UK, London
United Islamic Association, London
Waqf Al-Birr Educational Trust, London
Watford Arabic School, Watford
W.F. Noor Ul Islam Trust, London
West Bowling Islamic Society, Bradford
Wimbledon Mosque, London
World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY), London
World Islamic Association of Mental Health, Wolverhampton
World Islamic Forum, London
World Islamic Foundation, London
World Islamic Mission - Glasgow, Glasgow
World Islamic Propagation Centre, Middx
Worthing Islamic Social and Welfare Society, Worthing.
Young Muslims, Glasgow
Young Muslims, London
Young Muslims UK (Birmingham), Birmingham

[silverDistortioN]

Just what is complaining about Muslims here going to do for you?

[SeymourGuado]

I knew when I saw you had posted it would be nothing but an attack and nothing constructive silver, but I am not going to get into another argument with you.

The purpose of this thread is for people to add constructive arguments about British life, politics and in general anything that is affecting Britain although I wouldn't mind anyone adding their opinions on law and order and such like about their countries. This is not a personal attack on muslims, the last 2 threads are questioning the faith Islam, which seems to be taking over Britain, plotting to blow us out of the air and Dhimmify. It is also about Islam's desire to pick and choose which of our laws it wishes to obey.

Islam and the huge trouble Britain is having with it is a good enough reason to add it to the collection of Britain beinga soft touch. It is scared of confronting real issues because of political correctness and the dear old racism card.

To answer your question? It does nothing for me, other than add my collection of views to this thread, to allow others to read it, and maybe add something constructive. Also, being that the number 1 problem in this country is lenient sentances and out of control crime and immigration, obviously these are topics most likely going to be discussed. Islam is a secondary consideration, but it is nethertheless a huge issue and is also worthy of being included.

There seems to be some disease in today's culture that questioning religion is bad, wrong or racist, I don't conform to that view and I never will.

[Cyrano de Hero]

The following is a not finished list of affiliates to Islam in this country. Unfortunately what most cannot see is that, in time, this kind of divisiveness is going to breed war. How on Earth can we be expected to have 2 completely different cultures, with ghetto's rife, living side by side? What a joke!
Well, sure, there are a lot of groups affiliated with Islam. So...? Take a look at all the groups affiliated with Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Bahai... Does the thought of division among these religions trouble you as deeply?

These groups, as are all social organizations, are formed because of a common intrest or profession. I highly doubt groups such as the "Muslim Doctors and Dentists Association, Birmingham" or the "Muslim Girls High School, Leeds" are actively preaching divison amongst its own ranks, much less to the degree of civil war.

What is it you really find so threatening about the number of Islamic organizations in Britain? Once again, keep in mind that with just about every religion, there will be numerous groups and associations catering towards different interests.

[SeymourGuado]

Well in this country the interest is Dhimmification,and this is but 1 area of discussion and it really makes no difference what anyone says, the fact is nearly all terrorists the world over are islamic. Here in Britain according to the latest police discussions, we are talking thousands of people plotting terrorism. 60% of all muslims want shia law here and in the interest of keeping Britain from the brink of civil war, it is time we discussed Islam and its absolute failure to integrate.

As for the other factions you mention, I only see Islam on the news. Nothing else. Bomb here , bomb there, demand here and demand there. I also live in a town that is very very diverse, mainly pakistani origin Muslims, and I can tell you that what is happening here is the very seeds of what is to come.

NO integration, even speaking urdu as their first language
Demands to change law to favour them
Interfering in matters that don't even concern them
Supporting Muslim countries in all sports even though they are supposedly British
Ghetto's
Forced marriages
So called Honour killing
Fleeing to pakistan to evade law
Supporting muslim countries in all conflicts, no matter what, even Iran
Plotting bomb attacks
Majority "moderates" sympathise with the bombers
Fleecing our welfare system dry
majority of gang crime
Demanding and recieving special needs that no other ethnic group gets
Anti Americanism rife
Lack of support for freedom of speech
Against women's rights in all forms
For killing homosexuals

Infact this all sounds nazi to me! Maybe that is what Islam is? A nazi religion

I think that will do for now. No wait I forgot the main one....Causing trouble all over the world

Iran, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Turkey, Libya and god knows where else. And you wonder why I fear Islam in my country?

[silverDistortioN]

I knew when I saw you had posted it would be nothing but an attack and nothing constructive silver, but I am not going to get into another argument with you.

That wasn't an attack. It was a question. If your defense is that this thread is a bastion for intelligent debate, what purpose does listing every public Muslim organization serve?

No, my friend, this would be an attack: many of your views, despite your willingness to believe it, are racist. It's tantamount to saying "Catholics are the bane of the world" or "Jews will be the downfall of my country." I dare say most people here would agree but (alas) would rather not explicitly say.

In your defense, everything you say about Muslims may not be racist. But it would be wise to learn the difference.

In my defense, it was a constructive attack.

[SeymourGuado]

If you wish to further this, you can do so in PM silver. I disagree with you entirely, and have answered why I find Islam dangerous. Rather than attack me and use the classic old and rather boring racist attack why don't you engage? And it is not a matter of believing it, it is a matter of most of it being observed here, polls, statistics and historical fact.

[silverDistortioN]

Certainly, but I would invite anyone else to voice their opinion on this particular matter in this thread.

[SeymourGuado]

Good. It doesn't matter to me if I am opposed which no doubt I will be on this site. The issue is Britain being a soft touch and this falls inside its category. Islam will onlu be brought up when I see something striking on the BBC website for instance , such as the 12 yr old girl who fled. Mostly it will be immigration and crime.

[Kilu]

The "racist card" never gets old.

[SeymourGuado]

I think 99% of Britians non-muslim population would disagree with you there Kilu. It is used once too often and nowadays bounces off me. If anyone is racist in this country, it is the muslims themselves. In time we will have a full debate and enquiry in this country and no amount of racism calling will stop it. The wheels are already in motion since 9/11, 7/7 and the latest plane plot.

I also hear that a British Islamic school was raided this week

[Cyrano de Hero]

As for the other factions you mention, I only see Islam on the news. Nothing else. Bomb here , bomb there, demand here and demand there. I also live in a town that is very very diverse, mainly pakistani origin Muslims, and I can tell you that what is happening here is the very seeds of what is to come.
Bombings of abortion clinics by Christian radicals maybe...?

I think it's rather unfair to extrapolate about an entire religion based only on what you see in the news and your local area. The opinions of many are formed based on the actions of the very few.

Now, I will agree with you that most of the terror attacks are from Islamic radicals. Not all Islamic people are terrorists, but it does seem that all terrorists are Islamic. But try to remember that the acts of terror are as much of a corruption of Islam as bombing abortion clinics is a corruption of Christian faith.

[SeymourGuado]

corruption of Islam I dispute this to a degree. They often cite their Koran for justification, It is true that most of Islamic law and teachings are repressive, especially to women. This is not a distortion , it is clearly what Islam teaches. There is a huge hypocritical Islamic population here and its all gonna blow up. I hope I aint here when it does.

[silverDistortioN]

corruption of Islam I dispute this to a degree. They often cite their Koran for justification, It is true that most of Islamic law and teachings are repressive, especially to women. This is not a distortion , it is clearly what Islam teaches.I think this is just toying with words. If you believe "uncorrupt" Islamic teachings are inherently negative, will you at least concede that many Muslims follow a "corrupt" Islam that disagrees with the negativity?

Or do you think all Muslims follow the negative?

[SeymourGuado]

There are muslims, and many that follow less radical Islam and live law abiding lives, but even they don't particularly like our western lives, so why live here?

In the end it comes down to 2 things: live with or live against, and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out that 2 or more coexisting opposites is a mixture for mayhem.

Religion and state should be sepearate, the muslims see them as one and the same thing. Allah is all. That is the fundamental difference.

[SeymourGuado]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20640

A wondeful wonderful article. I couldnt have said it better!

[silverDistortioN]

If you find yourself saying that you expect people to find one of your comments to be racist (while you find it "just common sense"), then you should not be shocked and appalled when someone calls you a racist.

[SeymourGuado]

I only expect it because I know people. It doesn't make it nice just because I expect it. I also know that if people lived here they would have quite a different outlook;)

[SeymourGuado]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,31-2006400638,,00.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/newscomment.html?in_page_id=1787&in_article_id=403686

"Prince" Naseem Hamed was let out of jail early recently. He broke every major bone in his victims body with his reckless driving.

Unfortunately car-crash crimes in this country are treated with leniency so much that they might as well not send the criminal to jail!

Hamed was sentenced to 15 months in jail, which by any measure is a pathetic sentence for this nature of crime.





Our jails are holiday camps so 15 months is NOTHING
But then, just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, "Bonkers Britain" took a new step and let him out in just 16 weeks! That is right 16 weeks for nearly killing 2 people!

Don't fool yourself into thinking that because he is a celeb his case was an exception. Sadly, this is the recurring theme in modern day Britain.

Hamed was already banned from driving previous, so it wasn't rocket science that the little brain dead simpleton would do it again.

Even worse, Mr. Mad shows just what a crass, arrogant, uncaring and AWFUL thing he is when he decided to mention his victim as well as roll out in a nice flash sports car, smiling all the way to his party

"Thank God noone was killed" "It has been hard" *smiling his face off*

Well that sums you up doesn't it, you tosser!

MAYBE NOW HE HAS BEEN GIVEN THE GREEN LIGHT TO MURDER HE MIGHT DO IT! HELL HE MAY EVEN SERVE 1 YEAR FOR FIRST DEGREE IN MY COUNTRY!

Also, and more importantly. In Britain the MAXIMUM sentence for this kind of crime, where death results or not is TWO years in jail. If I ever want to kill someone, I will plow right into them with a car...then whooooops I am a dangerous driver and the murder charge won't count!

Haha and it only takes my politcians 1000 years to sort the problem:

1. Problem found
2. Soundbites
3. Coffee
4. Media Hype
5. sound bites
6. Media hype
7. Public outrage
8. sound bites
9. small change to the law, makes 0 difference
10. soundbites

When are we finally going to kick out these SHIT governments? Just thank your lucky stars criminals that I have no power. If I had my way Hamed would be in jail for 20 years, doing hard labour, not sat on his worthless fat arse or playing pool in open-jail!

Clearly we need an overhaul, because 2 years is pathetic, 15 months a joke and 16 weeks .....follow the follow the follow the yellow brick road.



DLPB

[SeymourGuado]

I have missed quite alot of news about people getting away with murder and receiving laughable sentences for heinous crimes but not to worry here are 3 other items in the news recently:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/5412264.stm

We used to have a double Jepardly law which stated after you were tried and found not guilty you could not be tried again for the same offence. Yes, it was another of our CRAZY liberal laws that should have been ended years ago (but it only took us 8 centuries). The first person to be convicted since the law was changed admitted his guilt to a prison guard believing he was still immune.

The liberals didn't want this law changing because they are BACKWARDS. If they had gotten their way this smug nutcase would have completely escaped justice. Unfortunately he HAS esacped it to an extent:




Our jails are holiday camps
He got 17 years in Jail and it was called "life"
He got away with it for years
He should have recieved the firing squad. I would have loved to be the one firing.
In other news:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5411954.stm
http://www.mvuk.co.uk/feature_view.asp?feature_id=29

yes, the muslims are at it again. Jack Straw a weasel of a politician (home secretary too sadly) decided to ASKED muslims to remove their veils (which apparently, they aren't forced to wear by Islam anyway) to further better integration and understanding. Now his local constituency (30% muslim) is going mad demanding he get sacked or quit.

Another classic example of Muslims not understanding how they are supposed to behave in another country, espcially a free one. It is about time they realised they form 3% of the popululation here and we are sick of bending over backwards or being called racist. We cannot possibly communicate or better understand someone walking down the street like the Taliban.

http://www.mvuk.co.uk/upload/nikab_mvuk.jpg (http://www.mvuk.co.uk/upload/nikab_mvuk.jpg)
Osama's right hand women


Once again, if they don't like our customs, believe they are above our laws or wish to inflict their culture on us they should seriously consider moving to a MUSLIM country!

On the Sky News just a few minutes ago one muslim lady came on and said "attacking Islam again". Well she has obviously been on Pluto for the last 10 years. Every time I look at the news it is Islam attacking us and long before 9/11 also. I guess she thinks torching things and killing a few people over a cartoon is also acceptible? More amusing is the fact that she has the right to come on television and say that here, roles reversed, in Iran or another of her beloved countries you would be arrested or not given the right in the first place. HYPOCRIT

Mr. Straw, a crap, weak politician maybe but this is his VIEW and his RIGHT to air it in public. We have free speech in Britain muslims, so get used to it.

Also in the news and related:

police officer refuses to police Israel Embassy because he is Islamic:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5408470.stm?ls

Islam first Britain second again ey? And just who are the Association of Muslim Police Officers? What is happening on my barmy island!

[silverDistortioN]

Mr. Straw, a crap, weak politician maybe but this is his VIEW and his RIGHT to air it in public. We have free speech in Britain muslims, so get used to it.Freedom of speech generally refers to a limitation placed on the government to prevent them from attacking (punishing, prosecuting, whatever) anyone in retribution for what they've said. It does not prevent a constituency from reacting and demanding a resignation. Freedom of speech works both ways, not just the way you happen to like it.

Further, I find that laws prohibiting double jeopardy are not inherently liberal. They place a necessary restriction on governmental powers, thereby preserving democracy.

[SeymourGuado]

Nethertheless it was mainly the liberal socialist movement that wanted it keeping (lib dem opposed law change for example), and the general public through polls especially wanted it abolishing.

It didn't protect anyone but the criminal usually, as the case below illustrates. This is a small cookie though. Our entire system is flawed, this man escaped proper punishment anyway.

As for it being right to demand his resignation. yeah they have right to ask of it, demand it but one time I hope they see the irony of the situation, the irony that in the muslim lands they protect and adhere to, freedom of speech is severely repressed, especially when it is against government. I suspect soon they will be demanding his execution like the french muslims did before on a similar issue. It is all so amusing.

I would hope they also see that it isn't a written law in the Koran to cover entire body, that they should have more respect for this country's laws and that respect is earned not given. The further Irony is that the body covering is a Muslim-man-made law to repress women in their society. Each day in each way they drive themselves further into the hole they are digging. That is another nail I can hear being banged into the coffin?

Britain has spoke:

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&threadID=4123&edition=1&ttl=20061006201333&#paginator

[SeymourGuado]

It is getting even more laughable. Just when crime is soaring through the roof, sentences getting ever more lenient and people going mad about offenders not being punished properly we now have a new idea:

Don't send them to jail at all.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4801537.stm

The Lord Chief justice who lives in Cloud Cuckoo Land says community sentences should be used more. So burglers and the like will just get a slap on the wrist, maybe a fine. This brings up the following problems, which no doubt he hasn't even considered since he isn't on planet Earth:





Lenient sentences mean no deterrent. Crime increases because of this. So the problem now will escalate into an even larger one. Jail capacity will also rise for other offences and the ones being punished with even lesser sentences will just explode. How much is this going to cost the country and economy?
Families will feel robbed to see that a burgler or other offender recieve a slap on the wrist
Vigilante will increase because the law is not doing its job. In my opinion the sooner the better.
but we also have to look at WHY jails are full to capacity:


Lenient sentences already existing mean more people are commiting crime, ergo more people are beings sent to jail. THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE
The Government is not building enough prisons
People are not afraid of our holiday camp jails.
Immigrants form a large % of the poplulation commiting crime
So what would make Britain safe, cut down on Jail crowding and solve this problem?

IT IS SIMPLE BUT BRITAIN ISN'T UP TO IT. All we have to do is:


Remove Televisions, pool tables and all fun activities in jail. Make it harder to do the time. Make it an awful place to be. Reintroduce hard labour for worse crimes. Stop whinging about their "Human Rights" they lost most of them when they did the crime.
Control our borders better. Erradicate immigration/asylum seeking from non-neighbouring countries. Failed immigrants, asylum seekers immediately deported. Immigrants/AS that commit crime should be deported also- there are 10000 (out of 80000 oveall) languishing in our jails. That is 1/8 are immigrants even though they make up a minority of the british population!
Harsher sentences for all crime
Build more jails (which probably won't be necessary if the above is implemented)
Reintroduce capital and Corporal punishment.
Abolish out of touch idiots like our Lord Chief justice
So you want to know do you Chief Justice why there is such an explosion in jail numbers? Well, take the wool from off your eyes you stupid dick head and realise that the liberal attitudes to punishment in this country are hurting the people and this country and are the ROOT CAUSE.

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&threadID=4154&edition=1&ttl=20061008154640&#paginator

Better yet, this being a democracy, why not listen to the people like in the BBC have your say (above). No you won't do that will you? Because you love crime.

DLPB

[SeymourGuado]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/6135060.stm

The BNP is a far right party in the UK (4th largest). A few prople in it are undoubtedly racist. The majority however are like me. Disillusioned voters who want change and are sick of crap sentences, islamic dhimmification and lying politicians ready to watch our country disintegrate as we allow massive influx of immigrants as well as allowing us to be sold out to the European union among other things.

Today the second trial ended, which was brought on mainly by pressure from our government who see the BNP as a threat for telling the truth. Telling it as it is. Nick Griffin, their leader (whom I am happy to say I have met) was cleared today for the second time of "inciting racial hatred".

He incited nothing. At a private meeting he said Islam was a "Vicious, wicked faith" which I and many others agree with. It is his opinion and his right to say such things in a democracy but sadly we have liberal facists among us that cannot stomach the truth and don't want a political party they see as dangerous to their ideology taking power.

The media is also biased, namely the BBC which tried its best to get Nick convicted by secretly taping the meeting and planting a mole (who became reasonably high up in the BNP hierarchy) who deliberately chose racist candidates to stand for the BNP. The mole then secretely filmed the reactions of the new racist BNP members he chose (who had been forced out of their homes by pakistani muslims) for a TV program to descredit the BNP.

DISGUSTING

It backfired however when the 7/7 attacks occured and people in Britain finally woke up and realised that what was said is the truth. The 5 major thwarts since then and numerous other muslims rallying asking for our soldiers to be brought home in body bags have sealed the doom for the left wing attempt to bury the truth under the rug. The truth that multiculturism is a FAILED ideology by a FAILED way of thinking by FAILED left wing idiots. The truth that if we don't start engaging, asking questions, debating and working out solutions, Britain will head into civil war. Because of all this the trial suddenly looked like what it was...a silly, expensive witch hunt designed for nothing more than political gain.

It actually has become a recruiting sargent and free publicity engine for the BNP which I find hilarous.

Today Gordon Brown stated that he will look into changing the laws

"I think any preaching of religious or racial hatred will offend mainstream opinion in this country and I think we've got to do whatever we can to root it out from whatever quarter it comes."

In other words, curtailing the right to criticize a religion. SO WHAT IF IT OFFENDS. THE TRUTH OFTEN DOES! OFFENDING IS A RIGHT AND FREE SPEECH IS A RIGHT MR.BROWN. ONE WHICH YOU AND YOUR AWFUL GOVERNMENT WILL NOT SUCCEED IN TAKING AWAY!

Today was a victory for right wingers, a victory for democracy and freedom but the fight goes on.

----from BNP website http://www.bnp.org.uk/

Outside the court a visibly jubilant Nick Griffin popped open the bottle of champagne which had been generously donated by our distinguished friend Jean Marie Le Pen President of the French Front National.

[SeymourGuado]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/6136786.stm

Another unbelievable amount of negligence from my country and its barmy laws. A promising student with his whole life ahead of him has had his life snuffed out by a mindless thug on a train!

The thug proceeded to stab the student in an unprovoked attack, probably through jealousy of the student and after getting irrate at his wife.

It turns out he had a history of threatening to kill his wife also as well as a history of violence.

Why was he even allowed on our streets? Now someone is dead through him.

At the very least, 21 years in a cushy jail is not justice at all! It is eating tax payers money keeping this filth behind bars also! He should be behind a rope, and next time maybe a thug will think twice.

Now an innocent student is dead, and once again the inept establishment of Great Britain is to blame.

Also 21 years is NOT LIFE. Yes I repeat again 21=NOT LIFE

[SeymourGuado]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZy4eNd_dw8&mode=related&search=

I found this hilarious but also so true:)

[SeymourGuado]

We hear it in this country so often. How a law (Human Rights Act) designed to protect the innocent and free is used to protect the criminal and do things it was never designed for.

I heard my Grandma laughing her head off yesterday and when I heard what she was laughing at I started too. The laugh wasn't a happy one, it was a sarcastic unbelieving laugh at justy how stupid the UK is going in its pandering to the human rights nutters and PC brigade.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-2176806,00.html

(seems BBC have got rid of it from their main page and I can't be botheerd looking)

Prisoners who were kept from their beloved drugs in prison and got "Cold Turkey" are now claiming keeping them off their drugs is a breech of their human rights and are taking the police/authority to court! hahaha

This should never have been allowed to happen. They should never have been able to mount this pathetic case but that is my country once again...cuckoo!

The lunatics are running the asylum for sure, and soon probably comitting a crime will be preferable to leading decent lives here.

I think the final irony is that the 10000 pounds they stand to make from suing (which has of course come straight from the taxpayer) will get ploughed right back into buying them yet more drugs when they get out.

And, with todays sentences in Britain that shouldn't be any longer than 5 years no matter what the crime.

DLPB

[SeymourGuado]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6175646.stm

The European Union which I think is really a socialist dictatorship is another issue with which Britons are fed up.

The EU was forced upon us as "The Common Market" and at that time people voiced concerns that it would mean our country being run from abroad. Laws and so on being made by others.

NO NO they said! But YES YES they meant. The EU decides most of the laws in Britain. Just say we wanted to bring back the death penalty tomorrow for example. In a normal democratic country there would be a vote or a party that could change the law. Not so In Britain. In order to change our laws we need to pull out from agreements to the European Union and the "Human Rights Act" that bind our arms behind our back.

But, some suggested that the EU would also mean our country getting cheaper goods because we would be "1 market". Sadly, with the EU we only get the shit end of the deal. We get our laws made for us, told what to do, put in billions and what do we get back in return?

NOTHING!

People in Britain hoped that a ruling would mean we could finally reap some rewards from the EU and get our goods cheaper over the internet from other EU countries. BUT GUESS WHAT!? Yes, the ruling has gone against us to save the rich fat-cat retailers and leave the British paying the HIGHEST prices in Europe for many goods including tobacco (and I think alcohol also).

Atleast now we know where we stand with the EU. We will get all the bad parts of EU membership and still retain everything that is SHIT.

RIP-OFF BRITAIN WE SHALL REMAIN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rip-Off_Britain

http://www.rip-off.co.uk/

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42327000/gif/_42327708_cigs_price_graph203x283.gif (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42327000/gif/_42327708_cigs_price_graph203x283.gif)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Britain must be the joke of the world for everything!

[SeymourGuado]

Gordon Brown, our sorry chancellor has once again brought in new taxes (or has outlined them). This time in the form of "Green Taxes" and the like. Everyone knows that Britain cannot save the world even if we cut our emissions to 0 (seems how we produce 2% of the world pollution)

Sadly some either don't see that it is a big tax con or just keep voting for the main 3 sorry parties regardless. Gordon Brown is something else though. He would tax the air if he could. Wait...I better not hold my breath ey?

Just for Gordon I have prepared this nice little poem, a take on The Stranglers classic "Golden Brown"
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"Gordon Brown"

Everytime just like the last,
Tax the Brits of all they've amassed,
Two distant lands, (they live in rich Cloud Cuckoo Land)
Takes both my hands, (of money)
Always a frown with Gordon Brown.

DLPB/ The Stranglers

[Cyrano de Hero]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...09/nmulti09.xml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...09/nmulti09.xml)

Adopt our values or stay away, says Blair



"In a speech that overturned more than three decades of Labour support for the idea, he set out a series of requirements that were now expected from ethnic minority groups if they wished to call themselves British.

These included "equality of respect" - especially better treatment of women by Muslim men - allegiance to the rule of law and a command of English."

If outsiders wishing to settle in Britain were not prepared to conform to the virtues of tolerance then they should stay away. He added: "Conform to it; or don't come here. We don't want the hate-mongers, whatever their race, religion or creed.

"If you come here lawfully, we welcome you. If you are permitted to stay here permanently, you become an equal member of our community and become one of us. The right to be different. The duty to integrate. That is what being British means."
Maybe Britain may not be such a soft touch after all...?

I think this raises some good points. I can respect a person's wish to move to a foreign country for a better opportunity, but that's just where he/she's going: a foreign country. Things will be different there, and it's foolish to expect that the native's culture and the foreigner's culture to blend together beautifully. I think it's very selfish and arrogant to move to a foreign country and expect the inhabitants to go out of their way to accomodate you.

I'm really not up on immigration laws or issues in Britain, but I do know here in the United States immigrants and illegal aliens from our southern border on Mexico are becoming more and more of a problem. There is clamor the make the two official languages English and Spanish. Our prisons are filled with illegals awaiting transport back to thier country. I've worked with people that could not speak English, and it infuriated me to no end. I couldn't care less that they didn't speak English, but I did care about the fact that I couldn't communicate with them, and thus I had to do extra work or receive a customer's wrath because they couldn't understand what to do.

I used to work at a dry cleaners about a year ago. I worked the counter, while there were two Iranian men and one Cuban woman who did the actual cleaning and pressing. Certain customers would make requests, such as one shirt was to be pressed more carefully than the others or there was a small yellow dot on the right sleeve that the customer wanted removed. Attempting to explain something like this was quite difficult. I had to point, gesture, and speak very slowly- often to no avail. The wrong shirt would be pressed, the small yellow dot on the right sleeve would not be removed, etc. Being the counter guy, I was always the one to get yelled at and blamed for their mistakes. It's little wonder why I only worked there for two months.

I am respectful of people and their beliefs. If I know someone is Muslim, Jewish or whatever, I won't say to them "Merry Christmas." I won't call myself better than an illegal alien simply because I'm American and he's not. I think there should be better resources than there are for people who want to learn English. I do not believe I am entitled to anything more than another man simply because he worships a different God or speaks a different tounge than I.

Is it too much to ask him to do the same?

[SeymourGuado]

Yeah but it is also gutless rhetoric from Blair. It has taken him this long to say anything close to that but his government will do nothing. They talk all the time.

Nobody listens anymore. We know it is a load of spineless crap;). The country's state at the moment and the fact 40% muslims polled said they wanted Shia law in britain is what I pay attention to.

The very fact we have a "Muslim association of Britain" and harbour hundreds of known haters is what makes Blair and his government look like the liars they are. We don't have any power to remove the haters. Abu Hamza is STILL here (and he should have been stopped years before he was preaching hate at a mosque).

What annoys me more is the BBC will do undercover reports of everyone and everything but I have yet to see an undercover report of what goes on in them mosques. I can guarentee you there are hundreds of hamza's, but we are doing zero.

Blair is like a dog with no bite.

What he won't say is:

We will adopt an immigration system that works by only allowing people to come based on their usefulness to the country (australia's way I believe)

Asylum seekers may only arrive from countries that border us (i.e. the geneva convention)

We will pull out of the EU commitments and the outdated Human Rights Act

We will deport all hate preachers from our land and return all foriegn criminals and hate preachers to their land of origin

We will place the army at the border

We will reinstate the death penalty and corporal punishment as requested by the majority of britons

and so on. You see, this is a blatant attempt to get back the voters they have lost because of their silly stance of pandering to the muslims and bad trac record on everything. They know big gains are on the way for the far right and they have to try anything to claw back the votes.

They have had years to address this problem so I am not in the least bit bothered what they say now. This is still a step in the right direction however.

Also, I should note that this christmas there is a very large chance of a terrorist attack in my country.

I sympahise and agree completely with what you have said cyrano. Over here it is like that but much worse in alot of area's.

I was in town Friday and moved out of the way of a muslim woman and this gang that were approaching. One of them went right into my face and said "WEST SIDEEEEE". I wish it were just him and her (speaking in urdu) I had problems with, but to be honest, it is all of them.

They don't show ANY traits of being English and it is quite clear they want us to be them.

Well they can whistle. And until Mr. Blair brings in real change I will not believe a word he says. I also hear that there will be a Muslim announcement by a veiled woman on christmas day.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/014343.php

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1750417/posts

The left and the muslims are taking the piss like usual. If we had some sort of message on their holy days there would be outrage, threats and violence

DLPB

[SeymourGuado]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6175501.stm

My country and its barmy government never cease to amaze me with their ridiculous polices and double standards.

Always the first to be playing the racist card with regards to ethnic minority rights and sexist card with regards to women's rights it comes as no surprise that once again, males are discriminated against.

The father figure clause will be removed

"IVF father figure clause is to go.
The government is to abolish the requirement for fertility clinics to consider the need for a father when deciding whether to offer treatment."

So, on one hand we have IVF, a totally unneccesary "treatment" for women who cannot become pregnant naturally (i.e. nature told them no, but they seem to know better than God) and on the other we are now told that not only do fathers have 0 rights but further, they now have absolutely no acknowledgement that it was half their chromosomes that made the damn child possible! BIZARRE!

But there is yet 1 more twist to this barmy story: The father is allowed to be traced by the child when it grows up. So, the father can be traced and hounded when the state said he wasn't even needed in the first place.

Family values have been going down hill for years here, yobs on the rise and this is yet another nail in the coffin for a good, stable, loving, normal country.

Worse, in my opinion, is the fact abnormal sexual activity is being normalised , promoted and even given extra consideration. I am talking about homosexual behaviour, in this case, lesbians. Nature doesn't agree with HS behaviour. If we all did it, we would go extinct. What they do in their own privacy is their affair but IT IS NOT THEIR RIGHT TO HAVE CHILDREN! Naturally, Homosexual behaviour yields 0 offspring for a good reason.

The bad parts of that persons genes (such as the part that made them have those tendencies or have the homosexual genetic flaw) is dropped from the gene pool because their DNA is not passed on to a new generation.

IVF is unnatural and intereferes with nature. It allows homosexuals to bring up children. Also, just what do you tell the child when it asks about Daddy? Tell it that Daddy was a greasy sperm doner with a porn mag perhaps? That Mummy had to do it that way because nature told her no maybe? Wonderful!

It is clear in this country there is a sick joke being played. A joke called Political correctness by a left wing, wolly minded elite that doesn't live in the real world and is damaging my country more and more day by day.

There is a thing for real mothers and fathers who want a family but can't, it is called ADOPTION. About time these thicko's got it through their numb skulls.

STOP MEDDLING! STOP MEDDLING! STOP MEDDLING!
DLPB

[SeymourGuado]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6185209.stm

Why should Tony Blair care about Turkey's membership to the EU? Why does he go out of the way to show us just how out of touch he is? When will this government start sorting out OUR problems?

I don't give two shits about Turkey. They are not compatible with the civilised world at the moment and their introduction to the EU will not be in the slightest bit beneficial to the EU as a whole (not that I care because the EU is a sorry joke anyway).

I don't buy into the argument this is for "middle east stability". Everyone who knows anything understands that Turkey want to join to be pandered to and have cash thrown at them. They will do what all Islamics here have...non integration. Then the demands will start. No sorry, this isn't the reason Blair cares about Turkey.

The real reason, it seems, is that this another one of Blair's strategies to get the "British" Muslim population back in tow and hopefully salvage some votes off them.

What a naive little weasel you are Blair.

DLPB

[SeymourGuado]

Yes, As I always suspected, Mosques are preaching hatred in Britain and a very large proportion (some 500000 muslims ATLEAST) want sharia law here.

Finally an undercover report into Islam. Brave of channel 4 in the era of the Liberal fool.

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24018_Dispatches-_Undercover_Mosque&only

I am in stitches actually, because no longer can the absolute undeniable truth be denied by the liberal do-gooder in his ivory tower. Each day that goes by more and more are opening their eyes to this threat and in time, they will vote accordingly to get rid of the set of traitors we have in downing street
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[Geosgaeno]

i saw in the local paper earlier, Muslim Man carries machete and is givin £25 fine.....now thats ridiculous

[SeymourGuado]

25 for carrying lethal offensive weapon? That's a bit steep for a muslim in Rochdale, England:biglaugh: I thought it would be community service or a tenner lol