Final Fantasy Tactics / Advance

[Kilu]

Hi. I was wondering that are there any continuation between the two? You know, if I plan to play Advance, should I have played the original tactics before, or does it matter?

Two completely different stories?

And oh yeah, if you feel like it, use this thread to talk about those two games :)

[Grim]

nod, two completely different stories.
Personally I think Tactics is much better than Tactics Advanced, but thats my opinion.

[Kyari]

Well, I'd have to agree. I don't think you'd have much hope of improving with a simple handheld system like the GBA (I say simple in prospect of the PSP and that . . . other . . . Nintendo thingy). HOWEVER, given the quality of FFT, that does not in any way mean FFTA is a bad game. In fact, it's one of the best GBA games I've played. Sufficiently strategic, and very enjoyable. The story is very . . . 'quirky,' you could say. A bit post-modern. The battle system has been tweaked with, and the addition of judges gives fights a necessary bit of extra difficulty.

The only suggestion I have is that playing this game emulated will not nearly be as fun as playing it on the GBA. Not as fun at all. The whole system has been tweaked to appeal to people playing it on the fly - handheld. It's hard to explain, but you'll notice if you play it. I doubt it would have had as much staying power with me on the PC . . . but certainly on the GBA, it's a worthy buy.

[IceBurner]

Tactics Advanced fixed some things they got wrong in Tactics:





First and foremost, the translation. No more dragons breathing "Fire Bracelet".
Equipment has been changed to allow a bit more freedom. Instead of having specific slots for a piece of equipment, you have 5 overall slots and can't wear multiple hats, or pairs of boots, etc., but you can wear several accesories of different types.
They also allow you to place your troops directly on the battlefield and even change their setup during the deployment phase, a VAST improvement from the completely nebulous and unhelpful deployment screen in FFT.
You can deploy up to 6 units most of the time.
Classes with super-redundant skill sets (Aim, Jump, Throw) have changed for the better.
On the battlefield, you can take back movement so long as you haven't acted, so if you miscalculate by a panel and your attack won't reach, you're not stuck.
The new clan/quest system is vastly improved. There are more mission types and vastly better and more diverse rewards.
Enemy formations are fixed, so you can control what you end up fighting. Because of this it's easier to encounter nonmonster opponents.
You can link up and trade items and troops.
You can flee most battles, if desired.
On the other hand, there are many disimprovements


The plot in FFT-A is not nearly as deep, mature or intriguing as in FFT.
The "law" system, while occasionally interesting, is ultimately a very contrived method of making up for poor AI. FFT's AI was fully capable of serving up your backside on a silver platter, whereas your oppossition in FFT-A will often pass up obvious advantages, even blatanty throw away a good shot at victory.
You can no longer set party members to AI control.
Equipment no longer functions as it did in FFT, it behaves more like mainstream Final Fantasy and is quite a bit more random because of it.
You learn skills from your equipment. While this prevents you from learning the "best" skills earlier than usual, that was balanced well enough in FFT the variety of skills you gave up to buy single expensive ones. It also makes some skills "rare" as some equipment is difficult to cmoe by.
Classes that didn't have super-redundant skill sets have universally changed for the worse.
The FFT-A classes are definitely not unique enough, with many covering the same ground the same way, even within the same race. Some of the cooler FFT classes show up in very simplified forms.
A great deal less strategy is neccesary as spells cast immediately, and evasion has been changed ... the only strategy you need to know is "get behind the enemy and use your strongest skills".
Since enemy formations are fixed, there aren't any surprises after a while. It's also much more rare to encounter monsters, since most groups don't have any.
We finally get linked battles ... but it's horribly, painfully,slow, uninteresting, and you STILL CAN'T fight your friend's army.

[silverDistortioN]

First and foremost, the translation. No more dragons breathing "Fire Bracelet". i always thought they had fire bracelets that let them shoot fire at people. XD

...but i kinda liked the nebulus deployment system in FFT. it was kinda like a game in itself. guessing where the front ranks really are. =)

[Kaze Nigai]

Flat out. . .Square didn't help their Tactics series by making Advance. FFT took far more thinking, where in advance not much is required and it become so very repeatative.

Square even went as far as to make certain equipment only accesable through trading items with a friend >.<;

[Kilu]

I just got my psx emulator working, and I was wondering if anyone of you guys have any suggestions on setupping. ePSXe is a bitch to setup.

[Zedie9]

:) Again though, that sort of description is what I would expect, given the systems. Of course the handheld version is less immersive, polished, and deep. :spin:

[Kyari]

I'd reccomend FFT first. But if you have a GBA, it really is a good game.

Shoulda had a neat cameo in the advanced version though:(

[Zeugma 440]

Kilu> :rofl: ePSXe is a bitch, but it's damn efficient once everything is ready.
The plugins that work most of the time for me are Pete's OpenGL GPU, Eternal SPU for sound and SCPH-7502 or 1001 BIOS.
Playing from an ISO also helps a lot (way faster than a CD).

[Kilu]

Yesterday when I was messing around with it I was using Pete's GPU OGL2 and P.E.Op.S. DirectSound Open-Source SPU. I played TOMBI! It's just awesome :)

[OutcastedNomad]

Kilu> :rofl: ePSXe is a bitch, but it's damn efficient once everything is ready.
The plugins that work most of the time for me are Pete's OpenGL GPU, Eternal SPU for sound and SCPH-7502 or 1001 BIOS.
Playing from an ISO also helps a lot (way faster than a CD).
the hardest part was getting that #$@# Bios. After 3 hours of searching on
google I found a good image. Zeugma is there a Plugin for the interact memory card reader?

[Kilu]

the hardest part was getting that #$@# Bios. After 3 hours of searching on
google I found a good image. Zeugma is there a Plugin for the interact memory card reader?

I had no trouble finding bios. And what is this 'interact memory card reader' thingy?


I have now settled for Delta frontend, Eternal SPU, and GPU I change depending on games. Pete's OGL2 caused some annoying flickering :( But it was so damn good if that doesn't count :( Right now I'm using Pete's OGL or soft GPU. There is a small issue with delta, I may change it to epsxexecutor at some point.

[Zeugma 440]

OutcastedNomad> Zeugma is there a Plugin for the interact memory card reader?
If you mean something to allow you to save your games on a memory card, it's included in the BIOS, you don't need any plugin.

If you mean something else, then I don't know :p

[Locke Cole]

My main complaint with Final Fantasy Tactics for the PS1 was the lack of multiplayer! I would have loved to see a battle arena or something, where you take your teams head to head in a turn based battle. That definately would have added to the enjoyment :)

[marec]

kilu, do you have the tombi 1 iso ? would you plz give it me ? PLZZZ PLZZZ PLZZZ i beg of you, i love that game 2 must and have search everywhere :( I WANT IT SO BADLY

[Kilu]

I used to have it, however I have deleted it since. I don't generally keep anything that I don't plan to use ever again. One time through Tombi was quite enough. Eventhough it's a crazy and awesome game in it's own way, I had no interest on replaying it.

[marec]

could you remember were you downloaded it ? i search everywhere on google, edonkey, kaaza and no luck. i just love the game

[Kilu]

Why would assume that I downloaded it?

[Blade Tanaka]

Why would you assume that I downloaded it?
Yeha Downloading games defeats the purpose of the makers work. To do so is to steal from the very person's wallet... not very good. Not only that it's ileagal to rip games unless they're no longer produced. That's why I only rip NES and SSNES games, 'cause now that's perfectly legit... ^o^

[marec]

i thought that ou mayb dl it, do you then have the game itself ? i mean it's a super old game that is made in 1998

[Kilu]

Maybe I'm super old myself thus having super old games on my possession?

[marec]

ok well thx anyways :)

[ckonze]

Surprisingly, I could not find myself attracted to Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. What little I've played of Final Fantasy Tactics I love, but i also haven't really played much of that. If you love these strategy type RPG's, you must check out Kartia for the Playstation. It's the best in its genre.

[Blade Tanaka]

I liked FFTA but every time I got somhweres somone would delete my file to beat the game AGAIN... grr I havev't beaten it yet *waaaaahhh*

[OutcastedNomad]

Yeha Downloading games defeats the purpose of the makers work. To do so is to steal from the very person's wallet... not very good. Not only that it's ileagal to rip games unless they're no longer produced. That's why I only rip NES and SSNES games, 'cause now that's perfectly legit... ^o^ the PSX/PSone is no longer produced so it is legit to rip
PS1 games ?

[Kilu]

It's not legit even if the games would not be made anymore. That's a lot of baloney. Like the line what you can still see in plenty of romsites.
"You can use this game for 24 hours and then you have to delete it" or "If you own the original game it's legit to download a rom of it".

[VanillaMew]

Hmm, I've played FFTA and I didn't like it very much, however I can see the addiction, the battles could get very intense if you got into them. The story turned me off though, I've heard very, verrry good things about FFT though ^^ So if that helps any, then I'm glad I posted XD

[silverDistortioN]

Kilu: legit doesn't necessarily mean legal.

it's definitely legal to create and own a backup copy (according to US copyright laws). i'm not too sure about up-/downloading, though. but i bet we'll see some legal action on that soon enough.

...anyway...
FFT is okay. >.>

[Kilu]

In this context it probably does.

[silverDistortioN]

they could be referring to the ethicality of it.

[Kilu]

They could, but I doubt it.

[silverDistortioN]

well, let's ask!

hey, what did you guys mean when you said "legit" back there?! =D

[nightmare zero]

:wave:HEY dudes and dudetes im new here and i couldnt help notcing about ps1... SEE i just got Tombi2 a.k.a, Tomba 2 much better than original i had tomba 1 but i got bored and resaterd my computer. about epsxe it really does bitch up sometimes and only problem is i cant find out how to make tombi2 work on it:wall: u hav any tips for a gamer? :tophat: well cya and cheers

[Locke]

Hmmm, does anybody else seem to notice the illegality of that post :wonder:

I dunno about the rest of you, but I'm pretty sure that giving away what looks like a rom of the game from this nightmare zero person would be an illegal activity... :wonder:

[Kilu]

The part "but I'm pretty sure that giving away the game looks like a rom of the game you can DL from this nightmare zero person..." made absolutely no sense to me.

[kai]

Nor I . . . . Care to clearify locke ?

[Locke]

Honestly, looking at it now I'm not sure what I was getting at. However, it's also edited by Kilu. What did you edit out of that Kilu?

I do seem to recall that post having something about nightmare zero giving away a copy of a game. I don't see it in the post now, and I could be imagining it, but that's what I remember.

As to what I was getting at, I was referring to if nightmare zero was offering up a rom of the game, it's illegal for anyone else to DL the rom unless you have an actual copy of the game.

[Kilu]

I edited out the part where he offered the ISO image.

it's illegal for anyone else to DL the rom unless you have an actual copy of the game.
This is actually wrong. It's still illegal to download the game even if you own the physical copy. Rom sites and the like like to spread that false information to make themselves feel better I guess. Another false information is the infamous "24 hour rule".


Of course, ethical standpoint is a whole another thing.

[kai]

You mean if I rob a bank, spend as much of the money as I can, and burn it after 24 hours I can still get in legal trouble? O_O Sweet Zombie Moses, who knew?!?!

[darkmog]

I think that FFTA is an awesome game. There is so much to choose. You can give your character weapons that will add abilities, ect. I just don't really know how to put it. But I think it is a really good game.

[Locke]

This is actually wrong. It's still illegal to download the game even if you own the physical copy. Rom sites and the like like to spread that false information to make themselves feel better I guess. Another false information is the infamous "24 hour rule".

Of course, ethical standpoint is a whole another thing.
Ah, I did not know that it was illegal to have the rom if you have the actual game. I assumed that it was fine so's long as you had the game itself.

[Galthol]

Well what copyright law lasts for 75 years so eventually you'll be able to download the games and not have to worry. eventually