Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children

[daniel]

Whoever moaned last time, it is now VII not 7 but what the hey I can edit at a later date if that doesn't suit me

[Kilu]

Actually you can't :p Thread name doesn't change even if you change the subject of the first post :) I tried it on my What is your favourite RPGs? thread after Jari pointed that the 'is' should be 'are' :)

[daniel]

Yes I had a bad feeling about that.

[Kyari]

Getting back on topic, did you hear the news? (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040730/laf023_1.html)

Apparently, FFVII:AC has been, in a move unnatural to tradition, admitted to the Venice International Film Festival under the 'Venezia Digitale' category . . . before the film has actually been completed. Square-Enix hasn't responded, BUT THEY BETTER! Man, a video game based movie being admitted to an international, high class festival . . . for a movie that looks impressive, no less! I am amazed, to be sure.

[SeymourGuado]

Www.adventchildren.net has now added to its official storyline.

Rufus is alive and well and reconstructing midgar, the turks are working for him still.

Sephiroth is back for certain determined not to enter the lifestream (personally i feel he should have been killed off...maybe both of them)

Geostigma is a disease that is affecting the planet, children get it before the adults. Cloud is infected lus we have loads of nutter clones or "brothers" of cloud trying to start another reuinion for "mother" jenova.

Also vincent warns that its possible to create new sephiroth's also.

Better description at above address. I am not holding my breath as to the greatness of the plot but so far it looks great, esp the graphics and the way in which they have made the old ff7 graphics come to life, the places and vehicles i.e. highwind look great.

Trailers are www.gametrailers.com

Seifer Almasy

[Geosgaeno]

Rufus should be totally dead, he was wasted by weapon, and Midgar cant be reconstructed because it was blown away by meteor and it shows Midgar 500yrs later with Nanaki and it is still blitzed out and overgrown by grass and trees.

film looks OK, but if its like "Spirits Within" then it will be a flop.

[SeymourGuado]

it won't b e constructed thats prob true, but the overgrown grass does not proove its still totally the same as straight after it was hit by meteor. Its possible rufus constructs some of it as long as in 500 years it looks like it did on the fmv 500 years later. Also its possible mako is now referred to as makou since that was how it was meant to be spelt.

Seifer Almasy

[eViL bAz]

film looks OK, but if its like "Spirits Within" then it will be a flop.

I like Spirits within ^^;

[Marona]

does it say when it will be released?

[pikatsu]

Rufus should be totally dead, he was wasted by weapon, and Midgar cant be reconstructed because it was blown away by meteor and it shows Midgar 500yrs later with Nanaki and it is still blitzed out and overgrown by grass and trees.

film looks OK, but if its like "Spirits Within" then it will be a flop.


Midgar was not blown away, some rooftops were blown away, for sure... But there was no impact. Lifestream prevented it.

And, apparently, Rufus was *not* wasted by the Weapon, duh. :) He is alive, like...

And a lot can happen in 500 years. Trust me, they have thought this over, and are most likely far better writers than any of us. :)

[Geosgaeno]

ok i resign to the fact that Midgar could have easily been rebuilt but Rufus, i mean come on HE DIED, he should not have been brought back. Just watch the sequence again when weapon fires towards Midgar, Rufus is in the Shinra Building stood up (at the top) and he crouches down in fear if i remember correctly, if this didnt kill him then what can. If he did somehow survive this collision he would still be in Midgar and he would have remained in the Shinra building when Meteor hit and made further damage to the building, he should not have survived???

cant wait to see how they made him survive because it will be daft i think?

i still believe Advent children will be cool regardless of Rufus being in it, it will be a better film with Rufus in it to be honest i just think he died in FF7

[SeymourGuado]

release date is september or thereabouts I forget.

Midgar was damaged ALOT. If you watch, mini tornados rip it to shreds and blow up part of it. watch the fmv again.

Anyway we shall see if its cool or not I personally can't wait:)

Seifer Almasy

[Marona]

well if the movie sucks then its official

squaresoft sucks at making movies lol :p

[Doreagarde]

Just watch the sequence again when weapon fires towards Midgar, Rufus is in the Shinra Building stood up (at the top) and he crouches down in fear if i remember correctly, if this didnt kill him then what can. It's quite simple, Geo. It turns out that Rufus is really an evil Kal-el from an alternate dimension. He was imprisoned in the Phantom Zone in an alternate timeline Krypton after being found guilty of Jaywalking, and found a backdoor escape-route to Cloud's dimension, 13 years before the FFVII story starts. His superpowers have been charging over the past 13 years under Planet's energy-rich yellow sun, and just around the time of the attack from Weapon, he gained his invulnerability.

The plot of AC is going to be Rufus amassing his army of Zombie-Cloud clones, who are overrunning Planet with their sheer undeadness. Sephiroth won't really be part of the story; he'll just sit in his Crater and sook about losing to Cloud. He'll end up joining Cloud and friends by proxy, using a trash-talking beagle puppy as his familiar. There is talk about a final battle between him and Cait Sith, who also returns, and is being controlled by a cowardly ghost named Ralph.

As for what can kill Rufus? We can only hope and pray that Cloud can get his hands on some Kryptonite Materia, and Master Level it before Rufus's plans come to fruition!

P.S. this is all true i are not lyingk!!!!!11!1oneone i reads it on the intertron

[SeymourGuado]

or the other explanation...the blast did not kill him, it was always possible he survived and was injured.

Seifer Almasy

[Geosgaeno]

or the other explanation...the blast did not kill him, it was always possible he survived and was injured.

Seifer Almasy
i reckon he would have died, he was at the top of the building, them arrows by weapon would have blown him out of the window, oh well who gives.

[pikatsu]

Character Shield. Allows character, the Hero, or a good Villain, to go trough unscathed of things, that would have shredded mere mortals to shreds.

You can't have James T. Kirk die in the first episode of Star Trek, so in comes Character Shield. Mr. T has exellent Character Shield, as does Inspector Clouseau.

[Lance Alvein]

Release date is currently September 13. Apparently they are planning on it going straight to DVD, but they may have a theatrical release sometime before.

My plans if only straight to DVD - get it for my birthday :p

[Locke]

I'll consider getting it for you bday Lance, but it may be opened for me to watch it at home first :evilgrin: . Besides that, I may get it.

The movie looks/sounds good to me, so I'm hoping square did a decent job of it.

[tanisthalon]

I'll consider getting it for you bday Lance, but it may be opened for me to watch it at home first :evilgrin: . Besides that, I may get it.

The movie looks/sounds good to me, so I'm hoping square did a decent job of it. http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/evil_laugh.gif You'll have to check it anyways, you wouldnt want to give him a dud present. Especially if it stopped playing 5 mins from the end. I think you should check the full thing first http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/evilgrin.gif.

[Lance Alvein]

I'll consider getting it for you bday Lance, but it may be opened for me to watch it at home first :evilgrin: . Besides that, I may get it.

Meh... as long as I get it :p

[Locke]

Tanisthalon - That's definently a damned good idea :p. I wouldn't want to give a defective birthday present, that would just be ignorant. I'll make sure that I watch it a couple of times first, just to make sure there's no random errors that might make it, say, explode while in the dvd player :p

And Lance, I'll see what I can do about getting it for you. Depends if Square actually releases it when they're supposed to or not. :biglaugh:

[Lance Alvein]

We can only hope :p

[sephiroth]

kyari you seem like a good person to talk to about the ff7ac movie so tell me what is the release data

[tanisthalon]

I cannot believe that Final Fantasy VII Last Order OVA hasn't been mentioned here yet!

[Locke]

... Is the release date still slated for the 13 of september?

[Locke]

Umm, I'm still just wondering, is the release date still on the 13 of september?

[Lance Alvein]

It is still September 13, at least, as far as the industry has been told. http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Locke]

Cool, thanks bro.

[bjp4444]

Found this, if anyone is interested:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/30/news_6130093.html

also, if you go to http://www.gamespot.com/features/squeenix0705/index.html, there's some FF XII news and other items as well.

-bjp

[Locke]

Definently good to know, thanks bjp. I would say that FFXII should be a fun game.

[kai]

ANGER!!! :realmad: . . . . . Did anyone else think that the trailers for Advent Children showed far far far too much of the movie (though that is the case for most movies today, if you saw the previews for "the island" . . .you basically saw the movie)?

[Locke]

Which is why I'm so glad that I didn't watch the trailers past one of the basic one's.

[kai]

ALL of them gave too much away. I'm tempted never to watch tv again just so I don't see previews for movies. :realmad: They go so far to promote a movie and make it look good that they actually show most of the good scenes and enough of the storyline that you can put two and two together and BAMN! you've seen the movie.

[Locke]

Whats a BAMN? :p. I don't recall most of the trailer I saw past what the basic graphics will look like, and I don't watch TV hardly at all. Hence, I don't see trailers for movies that often. Hmmmm problem solve for me :D

[kai]

I didn't think the adds were on tv????? "BAMN" is well . . . . . I don't know, kinda like "YERT" I guess.

[Locke]

Not for advent children that I've seen, I saw one of them at home down east on the website. But with a dialup that connects at 26.4, I only had the patience to watch one. And where did "YERT" come from?

[Yuffie]

Well if I watch the trailer now I'll probably have forgotten it by the time the film reaches here. :rofl:

So it should just give the extra boost to cope with the wait. :p

[Blade Tanaka]

Yeah I'll but it. That way one day they may remake FFVII.

[Locke]

Ahhhh, It's almost ready to be released. 3 weeks or so :D

[bjp4444]

I'm sure all of you will be extremely enthused to read this:

Uh Oh.... (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3143124)


-bjp

[Lance Alvein]

Well, that sucks... I guess that means that I'll get it for christmas rather than my birthdayhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/wall.gif

[Locke]

NOOOOOOOOO :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: *sniffle* :cry:


I am very disappointed in sony. Very.

:bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:

[bjp4444]

Apparently, my EGM this month is just about dedicated to all things FF VII. I'll report back with any juicy tidbits I might find. Maybe they'll extrapolate on the AR delay. Dirge of Cerebus is going to be like FF Halo? I'm slightly intrigued.

-bjp

[Locke]

Dirge of Cerebus :confused: What's this about now?

[bjp4444]

Dirge of Cerebus :confused: What's this about now?
Maybe this will help....

Dirge of Cerebus (http://www.1up.com/do/gameOverview?cId=3134838)

-bjp

[Locke]

WOW O_O

While I'm disapointed that it's not going to be an RPG, a FPS made by square will definently be interesting. And with the creater of FF leaving square, I'm kinda curious to see what direction square will take with the FF series. It should be interesting, that's for sure. The future should prove interesting.

[bjp4444]

Nothing to interesting about AC, unless you count that Aeirth is revealed to be Sephiroth's mother, and she gives him a huge spanking! And he's grounded to stay under the planet's surface for 1500000 years. That would suck MAJOR ass.http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/knockedout.gifhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/knockedout.gifhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

-bjp

[jetblue]

I found a torrent and It was cool. There was tons i didnt really understand and blame poor translation and strange storyline but it didnt matter. Great attention to detail,so life like. I give it http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/star.gifhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/star.gifhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/star.gifhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/star.gif and http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/thumbs_up.gifhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/thumbs_up.gifhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/thumbs_up.gifhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/thumbs_up.gif and one of thesehttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/xyes.gif
No spoiler but that poor flower bed. Its been through so much.

[pikatsu]

Mine's at 81%... ;)

[Locke]

Me, I'm unfortunently going to need to wait till I get the internet at home or it comes out on DVD. Then I gaurantee I'll be buying it.

[pikatsu]

For once.. I think I'll get it too...

Damn, I had hard time trying to keep my eyes dry there... :bawl:

Anyone have the OST? :)

[Zeugma 440]

Okay, time for a review while the ending credits are still playing over there, in the upper right corner of my screen :)
NB : Select the spoiler parts with your mouse if you're ready to read them.

General : On the whole, the movie looks like a giant patchwork to me. Most of the scenes are coming one after another, with very few transitions. Sure, some of them are brilliant, but in my opinion, the movie has been sacrificing stuff (I'm talking about matter here) in favour of some kind of "climax effect" that hasn't fooled me.
Advent Children is something you should see. No need to argue about that. But I'm not part of those who will buy the DVD.

The Good Guys : Ahhh :) Seeing all the FF7 crew again was really something ! Even if most of screentime was taken by Cloud, the others have had their share, and were all well voice-acted.

The Bad Guys (SPOILERS):To be honest, I was waiting for something else. I didn't read any of these pre-opinions and trailer analysis that are on the web and plunged directly in the movie. To see what ? Three silver-haired and narrow-minded puppets crying for their 'mommy' and grinning all along the movie. Plus a 'omg-so-cool' appearance of Sephiroth blabbering the usual intimidating speech before being returned. IMO again, that was very average, just like in usual action movies. Maybe my hopes were too high ? *shrugs*

Visuals : Nearly nothing to say here apart from *whoa !* Maybe they just used the well-known Matrix effect a bit too often, but that was for the good cause ;) That is definitely worth seeing on a big screen, if you ever know someone with a decent home-cinema :D Square-Enix really improved the moves in their action scenes since The Spirits Within, and that's a very good thing.
My fav part here is how they designed Cloud's swords, especially the way they 'resonate' with his opponent's weapon in the final battle.

Sound : Uematsu went back to his scores for the soundtrack to this movie. About 2/3 of the soundtrack are rearranged themes from the game itself, and 1/3 are exclusive compositions. I can only complain that there are a few "silent" scenes that should have had music, but I'm no sound director so heh... The arrangments somehow disappointed me, probably because I've had the best of fan-made FF7 arrangments in my ears for so much time... BUT there's the theme of the Turks, which is uber-cool :shades:

My fav scenes (spoilers) :You know these moments when you definitely are "in" the movie without even thinking about anything else than what's happening ? That's what happened to me during the following scenes :

- Tifa vs. the-guy-who-looks-like-Wolverine
- The fight against the summon, when everyone comes to help Cloud
- Rufus' unveiling ('to hell with that wheelchair, I'll show you !!')
- The moto chase - featuring "the Turks set up us the Bomb ;)" -
- The end, when Cloud sees Aerith and Zack leaving the church

[jetblue]

Good review Zeugma.

Im also watchin the FF last order but i cant find subs,but it looks cool. Im trying to understand with the expressions and stuff. But im sure il be completely wrong because i dont think cloud wants a pony.
Anyone know if it was releasd before advent children or with it as a bonus disc or somethin?

[pikatsu]

[/b][color=White]
- The end, when Cloud sees .... (what's this light blue color?)


Em, have you played the game? Spoiler here... =>That's Zack.

Hum, just checking if this forum has spoiler-tags...

[Vidus]

I haven't seen IT yet so I have tried to avoid reading your postshttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/wink.gif I will have IT tomorrow and then I will be able to read all your post and add some comments of my own.

IT can't be bad, I'm sure IT's an mind blasting experience.

[Zeugma 440]

http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/wall.gif omg, YEAH, pikatsu, you're right !! dammit, I totally forgot that one :shame:

*edits his post*

Thanks for the reminder http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/embarassedlaugh.gif :D

[Locke]

Thanks for the review Zeugma, I actually had an oportunity to watch it 2 nights ago with subtitles, but it was at a buddy of mine's place and I had no way there :bawl:. I'll get it yet, I'm sure, but still. So close... so very close :cry:

[tanisthalon]

Good review Zeugma.

Im also watchin the FF last order but i cant find subs,but it looks cool. Im trying to understand with the expressions and stuff. But im sure il be completely wrong because i dont think cloud wants a pony.
Anyone know if it was releasd before advent children or with it as a bonus disc or somethin?
Last Order has been subbed by Hiro, visit Baka-Updates Anime if you cannot find the torrent for it. Its so so, would be a lot better if it was a full series to track the story of FFVII. I have seen the Advent Children by Bien, gonna have a look at Hiro's translation of AC tomorrow.

[jetblue]

ah cool thanks tanis. Now i will be complete in my FF7 enjoymenthttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/jetbue7/laugh.gif

[Locke]

I watch it tonight, then I'll be able to post my thoughts on it tomorrow :D I can't wait, it's gonna be good methinks :D

[Locke]

Unfortunently, I didn't watch it that night. Buddy called me up and asked if I could help him move, unfortunently him moving took 2 hours and I missed buddies coming to get me for the movie :bawl:

[Galthol]

Went over to a friends house who had it. Amazing. He had it dubbed, Right afterwards he found the FFVII tech demo from Sony for E3, I hope they do re-do it, it would be amazing.

[pikatsu]

Unfortunently, I didn't watch it that night. Buddy called me up and asked if I could help him move, unfortunently him moving took 2 hours and I missed buddies coming to get me for the movie :bawl:

I hope you learned your lesson. Don't get buddies, they're overrated.

[Locke]

On the contrary, it's great to have friends, and he's moving to ontario on friday. I figured I'd help him out, plus I was going to halifax with him the next day, which I did. Advent children will be around forever, and much as I would love to see it I put my friends first over a film. :thumbup:

[oneforthelord]

I watched it last night in Jap with English subs. AAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaAaaaaaaaaAaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAaaaa aaaaHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S SO NICE!!!!!!!!

:D:D:D

Ok I'm just happy I finally got to see it. The animation is absolutely amazing :)

I'm not going to spoil the plot for anyone, but this movie sure is nostalgic. The various remixes of familiar music brought back warm and pleasant memories of a time when life was simpler. I ended up happy the whole night after watching it :D

And btw, it's nothing like TSW. It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay higher quality and it's really a GAME animated movie.

FFVII: AC #1!!

[Lance Alvein]

I love it.... thats all I can say :p

[Geosgaeno]

Advent Children, didnt enjoy it aswell as i though i would, but still not a bad movie,

certain things werent really explained etc, and the thing that made me annoyed was too many battle's and not enough storyline.

[M.H.A.Q.S.]

I love it..though I saw it japanese. I actually enjoyed it more because I saw it on my PSP!!!! yeah man!!!

I love the movie though I also think that there are some places that can be really imporved.

[Geosgaeno]

i had to watch it in Japanese too, but that didnt bother me reading the subtitles, but it does get a little bit annoying when you miss good effects because your reading, should be out in English soon i believe, ill watch it again then.

[Locke]

WOW. That's all I can say after watching it. WOW O_O . I watched it and fell in love with FFVII all over again in the first 5 minutes. And the end of it there.... almost brought a tear to my eye.

In my opinion, square has most definently redeemed itself in the movie making business. Wow is all I can say. I'm going down to preorder it on my next payday for sure. :D

[SeymourGuado]

Time as always for my review :)

REVIEW: (WATCH OUT - SPOILERS)


Storyline: The first time I watched the film I was pretty disappointed, it just seemed to be strung together and plot substituted with action sequences. However once I had watched it once more I liked it, simply because I understood it. Whilst it is not the epic computer game it is still very good if you fill in the gaps with your imagination. The only real problem with this film’s storyline is that they have not had the time to show what is needed to make it flow from one scene to the next. Occasionally you are wondering why this or that isn’t fully explained or understood. I still cannot figure out how Tseng is still around, he was not seen on FFVII after his nasty encounter with Sephiroth in the ‘Temple of the Ancients’.

Watching twice makes the film a damn site better (and after 3 times you will probably still want to watch it again). The action sequences are well done apart from they switch fast from 1 view to another all the time like a Jet-Li movie, the characters are well portrayed visually and mostly dialogue wise. I do have criticisms of that though; I believe there should have been much more dialogue. The Bahamut battle was a little too long, as was one of the bike chases. Some of the action was stupidly unrealistic and that seemed to be a nasty Geostigma infection from Hollywood to me. Every character was very well drawn to look like their FF7 counterparts. They couldn’t have possibly got any closer to Rude and Reno who are amazing (for that matter every character is a loyal copy of their FFVII character)!

All in all a good film which will keep most FF7 fans happy - even me. Could have been better…could have been a lot worse. Pity they did not make this into a four hour film. Sephiroth, although appearing for a brief time was nicely done, cold as ever and now together with his new wacky plan, gave me a smile. He is shown with his one-wing in defeat. 7/10

Sound/Music: Nobuo Uematsu was enough for me to immediately know this would be a worthy score. A lot of the music is remixed or taken from existing soundtracks. The battle music in the church is simply the FF7 Piano collection battle music (I would have preferred something original here). The remixes are mostly well done and the original music is nice. Wouldn’t have been the same without music from FF7 appearing in Advent Children; the Rude-Reno ‘Turk’s Theme’ scene was great. Most would have been disappointed if anyone but Nobuo was doing the score. Nobuo IS Final Fantasy in many ways. 9/10

Animation: Well done. Although deliberately not made to the calibre of spirits within, the animation and effects are great. I wish they would make FF7 into a film…would take a decade or two to make a film many hours long, but so be it if FFVII could be upgraded to this amazing spectacle. 10/10

Voice acting. Japanese voice acting seemed very cool and I liked it a lot (although the Japanese for “drifting” sounds bizarre, especially when Tifa says it 4 times). I will not hold my breath to see what our English actors do; probably has some silly tit who has never played the game with a high pitched voice portraying Sephiroth. ?/10

Best part of movie: Sephiroth and the quote “What is most dearest to you? Would you allow me the pleasure of stealing it from you?” Rude, Reno and Rufus rock and the Cait Sith appearance is hilarious.

Worst part of movie: Boring bike chase and the end of the Bahamut battle where reasoning went temporarily out of the Japanese Window.

Pros: characters well drawn and portrayed, immediately makes you wish that FF7 was redone as a film in every detail. Music done by Nobuo. Sephiroth is back and this was made believable given the way the story of FF7 is. The end appearance of Zack and cloud finally forgiving himself was nice. The new 3 bad guys were a nice addition and they fitted the plot. Rufus is back I was glad about that. The battle fanfare piss take was a nice laugh. The places (and some of the FMV’s from FF7) were brilliantly recreated in these new updated graphics. Made it completely believable that this was the same world you had played the original game in. Writer stayed true to the characters and feel of FFVII this was THE most important thing for me. The sign posts do make reference to other places in the game one reads: HEALIN LODGE, MIDGAR CITY, KALM, CHOCOBO FARM.

Con’s: Storyline was a bit too vague; the new bad guys would have been even greater if there were more of a storyline about them rather than their goal. Scenes a bit messy sometimes or parts not explained properly. Will make little storyline sense to non FF7 players but who cares? (The very start does make it plain that the film is intended for players of FFVII) Some battle sequences too unrealistic even for the FFVII world. Two of the scenes are way too long as mentioned. Some main FFVII characters like Cid and Nanaki barely say 1 line of dialect (well really they are not a major part of this storyline it’s supposed to be that way). Other areas don’t even appear like the gold saucer and Wutai. Midgar and The forgotten capital Ijit, take centre stage.

Final Note:

I guess you could say that this film is a small (but major) story in the life of this planet. It is not a film long enough (probably couldn’t be) to portray anything more than the major set of present events with Cloud. I give them some credit that to make this film anywhere near as full as the game would have been almost impossible. Watch it twice because then you will appreciate Advent Children.

OVERALL 7/10 (add 2 more if you are not interested in a films plot)



I am pleased with this film and follow on to the classic FFVII, and given how harsh I am as a critic, that is good news.


Seifer Almasy

[Zeugma 440]

Finally having the point of view of someone who's cool-headed enough (or just old enough ?) to consider the FF7 movie in an objective way instead of just worshipping it is highly appreciated.

Thanks for your review Seifer !

[SeymourGuado]

well 22 year old but I look like I am 17:) I am a massive ff7 fan but I try my best not to be biased ....anyway thanks:)

Seifer Almasy

[Kilu]

objective way
Haha! :rofl:

Erm... yeah. I have yet to watch the film, so I'm just gonna go away now :P

[Zeugma 440]

Haha! :rofl:

Erm... yeah. I have yet to watch the film, so I'm just gonna go away now :P Everyone has to add one's own impressions in a review, unless it would be more like a "report". Compared to all the fans I've heard talking so far, Seifer's opinion is one of the most structured. I mean : it's good to see that people who have enjoyed the film can also admit and explain why there are negative points instead of flooding us with ZOMGs.

[Kilu]

I'm not saying that the review was bad or that it wasn't well structured, all I'm saying that Seifer is far from being objective when it comes to Final Fantasy in general. But maybe his bias is only for the games, and movies are a whole another story. :)

[oneforthelord]

If you love someone, you tend to overlook their faults. Same goes for if you love something, you'll tend to overlook the faults :p

That said, not everyone has the time nor the interest nor the ability to write such an in-depth review of the movie. I certainly don't have the last two qualities :rofl:

Zeugma: It isn't pure objectivity because he's actually played the game itself. You'd need someone who has no knowledge whatsoever about FFVII in order to get a very objective viewpoint and even then he wouldn't be able to do justice to the plot, characters, etc. What we have here is objectivity through the lens of subjectivity, which is what basically everyone uses most of the time :)

[Zeugma 440]

If you love someone, you tend to overlook their faults. Same goes for if you love something, you'll tend to overlook the faults Nice comparison here, oneforthelord :) I didn't really consider it that way but I guess you're right here.

What appeals to me in the case of Seifer's review is that although being a massive FF7 fan, as he says, he still does a real reviewing job, saying what is wrong in a movie on his favourite game. Most of us on this forum are biased by our gaming experience, anyways :D

[kai]

I'm gonna give the movie a 7/10 as a fan of FF7, and a 5/10 as far a quality goes.

Pros - Characters acted very lifelike (I'm sorry I disliked the Spirits Within for the very fact that characters didn't have the feel of a real person, their actions and movement just seemed off) The fight scenes were superb, music was great.

Cons - STORYLINE (brief and undeveloped) anyone who didn't know FF7 would make no sense of the film, the fight scenes though quite impressive are sometimes uneeded (they should have evened out plot development and fights rather than going for all fighting).

And there's my two cents . . . . . kinda brief but my general opinion is there.

[Locke]

But really though, is it fair to rate Advent children as a movie that's independant of FF7 when it's a movie designed and geared as a sequel to the game, not intended for the independant audience.

[kai]

Perhaps not, but most sequals will fill in the gaps that lead from one story to another. Perhaps they should have held out on the release of the movie until the remake of FF7 came out and simply put it in with the game as a bonus DVD. That to me would have made a lot more sense, even if we would have had to wait quite sometime.

[Locke]

They very well might make it like that. We'll just need to wait and see.

[Skikkles]

What about reviews on Last Order I didn't see any for that which is the sort of prequel for Advent Children, me personally I've always thought Zack was cool even though he played no major role, and the movie shows that he actually didn't die from Sephiroths blow in the mako reactor.

I was amazed at Last Order its all about Zack, and Sephiroth doesn't look as Marilyn Mansonish in this one.

Its a 25 minute anime short and everyone should definitly check it out.

[Locke]

Well, I would check it out Skikkles, but you keep neglecting to walk the 3 minutes from Res to my house with your laptop to allow me to see it http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/mad2.gif
Stop worrying about those midterms you have this week and take some time off from "studying" and drag it accross the street to my house http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/mad.gif

[Kilu]

Last Order isn't really a prequel to Advent Children, but a prequel to the game. The anime looked pretty cheaply done, the animation was cruddy and the music blew. And the story didn't really give out anything that wasn't found out in the game. Just a memory refresher, nothing more.

Still haven't seen Advent Children. I guess I should at some point.

[Skikkles]

But i liked Last Order *sniffle sniffle*:bawl: you was mean to it say yous are sorry!

Nah i see where your coming from I'm just a biased fan of Zack who we didn't see enough of in Advent Children or the game.:D

(But you should still say sorry!):realmad:

[kai]

I assume you went back to Nibelheim in FF7 later on in the game for that short flashback with Zack and cloud in the truck?

*SPOILER*
I can't believe they showed a flash of that memory in the movie, I was quite impressed with that one, too bad it would make no sense if you hadn't played the game thoroly.

[Skikkles]

Yes I saw that in the game but did you watch last order and see the real scene...

*SPOILER*


this is how Zack really dies......poor Zack:bawl:

[kai]

Ok, I'm getting that tonight . . . . http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/pccrash.gif

[Locke]

Comes out on the 29th of this month, supposedly. I'm definently picking up a copy on Nov. 2.

[bjp4444]

Here's an FYI, straight from the horse's mouth:

Advent Children Info (http://www.square-enix.com/na/company/press/2006/0213/)

-bjp

[Locke]

So looks like we're stuck waiting till April 25th then :( :bawl:

[Kilu]

I don't think I ever came to this thread saying what I thought of it. Well, quite frankly it was one of the worst films I have ever seen. It's not a film at all really, it's fanservice right from the start.

There is so much wrong in it that it's ridicilous.

[SeymourGuado]

I totally disagree as usual. I gave my extensive review some time ago. Whilst it was in times too actiony and a little to vague the graphics, sephiroth, seeing midgar again and the characters etc was more than enough.

It was never intended to be anything other than a fan movie as it states right from the beginning :) and...better anything than nothing

Seifer Almasy

[Kilu]

Yet it was very crappily done. I mostly blame the director, but scriptwriter is very much to blame as well. I mean, this doesn't even qualify as movie, as movies are supposed to have atleast somekind of a plot. And as an action movie... so boring. Last but not least, the score to is not a movie score. As in, it was just music layed on top of the film, rather than music that is scored to the picture. Yes yes, omg eumatsu is teh rox etc. etc. but scoring a motion picture is a whole another thing than scoring a video game. And reusing old songs just doesn't work very well in this context.

[Locke]

It still is one hell of a lot better of a movie then FF Spirit's Within, which was just a flop as a whole. Advent Children wasn't so much a stand alone movie as it was an animated sequal to the game, which if you look at it from that viewpoint it wasn't bad at all. As a stand alone movie, yes it was terrible. As a sequal, I disagree with your statement Kilu.

[SeymourGuado]

It still is one hell of a lot better of a movie then FF Spirit's Within, which was just a flop as a whole. Advent Children wasn't so much a stand alone movie as it was an animated sequal to the game, which if you look at it from that viewpoint it wasn't bad at all. As a stand alone movie, yes it was terrible. As a sequal, I disagree with your statement Kilu.agreed.

Anyway I still can't wait for DVD release to add it to my collection. With any luck FFVII will be remade for ps3 and in any case 3 great releases upcoming FFXII, MGS Subsistence and MGS4 ..roll on computer games!

Seifer Almasy

[kai]

I just think of it as a very long FMV that would have played at the end of FFVII. After playing through the game, everything makes sense, the music fits, the plot is vague but allows you to easily fill in the blanks with knowledge of the game. My opinion is going to be biased of course, due to the fact FFVII is my favourite RPG to date, but I enjoyed the movie when simply watching it as an extention of the game.

I will agree however that as a stand alone movie FFVII could be the worst movie ever made. I had my girlfriend watch it and a few friends that had never played the game, while they did all agree the movie was, graphically, the most impressive thing they had ever seen, they had no idea what was going on.

[Kilu]

I have this bad habit of judging movies as movies and not as sequel to a game? :p

The music would fit much better if it had been scored to the picture. As it is now it's too obvious that it has been written separately and then just pasted on top of the movie. Visual cues should match audio cues. This isn't really bad in the parts where there is talk, but action scenes...ugh. And as the movie is mostly just ridicilous action, it just doesn't work for me.


Also, it's pretty boring. :)

[kai]

I have this bad habit of judging movies as movies and not as sequel to a game?
That is one of the great things about being a fan of a game, no matter how bad anything related to the game is, it is always going to be great to me. For God's sake I look at a movie that would make absolutly no sense to anyone outside the gaming comunity and made into (in my mind anyways) a great FMV at the end of my favourite game. I feel so dirty :knockedout: .

[Kilu]

That is one of the great things about being a fan of a game, no matter how bad anything related to the game is, it is always going to be great to me.
Even the Double Dragon movie? :D It's so bad that it's amusing. :D

[Pezito]

Just a sidenote : if you've liked Advent Children, you should check out the opening video for Dirge of Cerberus (PS2) ! It's awesome. :shades: Long enough, about the same quality as Advent Children, and you get to see Vincent, Yuffie - probably a few others but I don't remember... I don't own the game but I've kept this video file in my archives, so that I can watch it again now and then. :) Check it here (http://ruliwebfile.dreamwiz.com/mpeg3/square_enix/ruliweb_ff7doc_pl01.wmv) !

[edit] Wrong link, sorry (wasn't the full cinematic) ! Now it's ok. ^^;

[tanisthalon]

Cheers Pezito, looking forward to the release over here in the UK of both FFVII:AC & DoC!