Day after tomorrow.

[Vidus]

I've been following the discussion about global warming. The discussion has been on who knows how long and nothing happens despite the fact that tornadoes and other nature's phenomenon becomes every day bigger and bigger problem to humankind.

The contract that they made, The Kioto contract, was a good thing but its meaning is small cause for example USA didn't want to sign it. The only chance to slow down global warming is to get all western countries into this contract.

What do you think?:confused:
How could it be possible to prevent or even slow down global warming?
Is it even possible in this world we're living in, are we just so keen on money that we do whatever we need to do to get it?

[Mithrandir]

Well, if we would live in the best of the worlds, the human wouldn't be so selfish, but it isn't the case.

When you buy a car, it's for your transportation. We have to admit (everyone) that you're not really interested to walk to work if it's 1h of walk.Or take your bike when it's snowing like hell out there!

We want to be confortable and we pay for that comfort. If EVERYONE was willing to do a sacrifice, then it would work but , it would never work.

And to criticize my own governement, sure we did sign the Kyoto treaty but we have no plan to apply it. The Prime mininster is like ok we have to reduce our CO2 emissions...but where do we start? So in fact, we signed the treaty but we don'T respect it...there should have been more planning done before.

[Lord Draud]

i personaly think that the world will only take so much befor it snaps back and set humanity on its ass. i point the big finger of blame at the US for being the most unrepentent polutor in the world, next to them the rest of us look like green peace members

[Kilu]

Lets all use masstransit!

The problem is real, and even if nothing major may not happen on our lifetime, it doesn't mean that we can just... rape the planet.

[Vidus]

http://www.worldjumpday.org/

Here is an idea against the global warming. Check it out. I personally don't think it would work but you never know unless you try. I registered and I am ready to save the world.;)Pretty hard way to change things but if it would work we could live longer on our own planet.

I hope you undersstand that for me the only correct way to change the world is to cut down pollutions. I'm still interested in different kinds of options to keep our planet in good condition.


(http://www.worldjumpday.org/)

[M.H.A.Q.S.]

There are no steps that can stop the destruction of this planet. Humans will keep on cultivating the culprits inside them and soon end up being ended!!!!

[Geosgaeno]

im not really sure by jumping it will push us far enough away from the sun and hey who cares, we wont be around to see Earth die, and by our luck if we did push Earth into a new orbit then we would probably be struck by a comet. its all fate and when its time for Earth to die its time for Earth to die. and if it werent for Jupiter, Earth would already have gone.

[Lord Draud]

i am still waiting forteh moon to leave orbit ( it moves like 1 inch away a year) and then the floods will start!

[Vidus]

Those who have seen the movie Day after tomorrow. What do think could it be possible that something like that would happen?:confused:
The only hope for us that live on the northern hemisphere would be to move to the south because of the new ice age. At the end of the day those people (africans for excample)would be the ones that we have to be friends with if this movie's events would come true.

[Gimble]

Those who have seen the movie Day after tomorrow. What do think could it be possible that something like that would happen?:confused:
The only hope for us that live on the northern hemisphere would be to move to the south because of the new ice age. At the end of the day those people (africans for excample)would be the ones that we have to be friends with if this movie's events would come true.

I think something like that could happen. Though, prolly not just one side of the world.

Ohh well, I'm innocent. I go to work by bike :)

[Geosgaeno]

on the movie it all happens so sudden and fast, in reality i belive we would have a few more warnings, and also a new ice age would probably take a long time, a lot longer than the movie suggests. but it may happen one day in this millenium and when it does i wont be here to whitness it, and that will probably be the end of technology because all these great countries would be wiped out leaving the less developed countries, i dunno.

i believe before all of that happens some other natural disaster will wipe us out, possibly something from outer space or a majoy movement in the tectonic plates causing worldwipe quake. humans will learn that they have to cut down on fuels and i think soon (soon =100/150yrs) they will do so to save our planet.

oh and Draud you wont be around to whitness these major water changes because of the moon, for it does only move an inch a year, lets put that into perspective in 1000yrs it will move 1000inch which is practically nothing. although the moon moves further away than it did the previous year because Earths gravitational pull decreases, but it wont decrease too much in the near future.

[Lord Draud]

still i am waiting for it....and i agree we won't seehuge mega changes and thats why we are not doing anything cause no one notices

[Vidus]

I found some simple ways to cut down CO2 cosnsumption. Shouldn't be too hard to do these little things.http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/dance.gif

Activity over 1 year Saving
(tonnes of CO2)
1 person taking the train instead of driving a car for a year 2.9
Hanging your washing out to dry rather than using the tumble dryer 0.9
Buying your potatoes from a local market rather than a supermarket 0.8
Car sharing for the school run 0.73
Going for a run rather than driving to the gym 0.6
Doing a single weekly shop rather than spreading out your shopping over the week 0.6
Turning off your lights when you leave the room 0.367

[Galthol]

I have read numerous studys say that it is to late to change thinks and that the damage has been done. It's not that we should stop trying to stop pollution. It's just that we need a contingincy plan and we need one know. How are we going to live if a Day After Tomorrow sencirao happens? This is the question we need to adress.

[Lord Draud]

heh we simpley move to mars and keep going from there! in the end its never to late to stop and try to turn it around, the earth is like a troll it can heal from the most grevis wounds, it survived a ice age that killed off most life on the planet i think that it can come back from the poison we have created but we need to stop hurting it more, maybe start blasting our wast chemical and stuff into the sun

[Geosgaeno]

most of the people live with the feeling that "tomorrow never comes" and therefore they dont give a damn, i dont really either because i wont be around to whitness these dramatic changes. id love to see Earth get smacked by a meteor when i am dead though, maybe even when im alive it would be a cool view, pain would equal zero and view would get 10 out of 10.

[TheDragonKnight]

fisrtly a "day after tomorrow seneario" cannot occour, the moive was a load of bullshit, the problem is real the efects we saw were plain stupid.

the fact is we are in the midle of a mini ice age (called a maunder mini after the man who came up with the theory, if im not mistaken) why havent we notced? global warming, yes folks were holding off an ice age by dint of SUV's.

we will not freeze, we will choke and cook ourselves, as we cut down more and more trees, and pump more nad more CO2 and other noxious gasees into the air, we will COOK.

second, want to reduce those gasses? switch to nuclear power, (tahts a seperate debate entirely, but the points remain) its more efficent, and far cleaner, if you bother to actualy process your waste, and thats to better reactor designs its possilbe to build a reactor with literly NO chance of meltdown, like any oter indutrial undertaking, if proper precations are taken its prefectly safe.

[Geosgaeno]

certainly true. Day after Tomororow was a little extreme. i cannot remember the film fully but i do know it has a big tidal wave in it, would someone like to tell me how that occured due to temperature dipping????

well even if our fuel immitions we to cut down, i still believe the planet is too hot because of the greenhouse gases to undergo another major ice age, more likely to have a new stone or bronze age firsthttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[TheDragonKnight]

but if we stop poluting above a level that our remaining greenery can compensate for greenhouse gasses will decline, the earth does have a remarkable ability to heal but only to a point, how long can we beat down our planet before it tells us to sod off? Im not sure about how long, but i am sure that at the rate were going i might live long enough to find out.

[Geosgaeno]

i dont think we will ever stop poluting and as a result the human race and the natural animals will all be dead from our behavior, at the moment matters are too important to stop poluting....people have to go to places in cars, planes and the sort you see.....me myself, i dont mind because i cant see me being around for "the end"

[TheDragonKnight]

i dont mind because i cant see me being around for "the end"
you have obviously missed the point here, people like you are exactly the reason we do have a problem, but ive gota suprise for you, you just might be around to see the end, after all your here now and we can see effects, heat waves in northern countrys, ice caps melting, sea level rising, tsumani's, holes in the ozone.

whens the last time we had a summer without a UV index warning? you think a SMOG warning is the natural state of the planet?

keep you head firmly entrenched up your rear end, and help us destroy our planet.

im usualy not of the "part of the solution or your part of the problem" person, but in this case its true. If your not helping you ARE part of the problem.

[Geosgaeno]

well ill say my little piece.

Heat Waves in Northern Countries = This would actually be a nice thing, at least we would get some good weather for once.

Ice Caps Melting, Sea Rising = if and when they do melt, it does not threaten the existence of mankind, it will rise about 2meters "big deal"

Tsunami's = most cases of Tunamis are acts of God, earthqukes you see.

Holes in the Ozone = well thats our fault.

and we dont have a problem at all atleast most people dont anyway. What would you rather be riding around in, a Car, or a horse and cart?????, pollution helps technology, technology helps mankind without technology we are just unspecial animals. And i still stand on saying, "i wont be here for the End", nobody on this entire site will.

Peace Out.

[Vidus]

Heat Waves in Northern Countries = This would actually be a nice thing, at least we would get some good weather for once.

Ice Caps Melting, Sea Rising = if and when they do melt, it does not threaten the existence of mankind, it will rise about 2meters "big deal"

Tsunami's = most cases of Tunamis are acts of God, earthqukes you see.

Holes in the Ozone = well thats our fault.

And i still stand on saying, "i wont be here for the End", nobody on this entire site will. Well let me say my opinion about this.http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/wink.gif
Heat Waves in Northern Countries = Those floods that they already have for example in central Europe will become common in Northern Countries also. Not nice at all.

Ice Caps Melting, Sea Rising = What about those animal species that live in Antartic and Arctic, they will die if their habitate melts. Two meters is a lot by the way.

Tsunami's = I agree you with this one. There isn't much to do to stop earthquake's but I don't think it's God that makes those happen. I believe more in Mother nature that just tries to limit the population on earth.

Holes in the Ozone = Yes definitely our fault. Mostly because of the technology's pollutions and raping the rain forests.

Lastly, we won't be here but what about the next generations. Sounds pretty selfish to say that "I wont be here for the End"http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/sad.gif

[Blade Tanaka]

So why are we all worrying ourselves about the end of the world? I doubt it's not going to happen for a very long while. Sure there are a lot of points to cover here but I just plan to enjoy life while it's here rather than say "Oh no the world is ending gaaahhh" Not saying you are just saying I'm not going to worry about it. ^o^

[Geosgaeno]

Tsunami's = I agree you with this one. There isn't much to do to stop earthquake's but I don't think it's God that makes those happen.
by act of god i meant it is nobodys fault, it is a saying in England and i just thought it was a global saying.


Lastly, we won't be here but what about the next generations. Sounds pretty selfish to say that "I wont be here for the End"http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/sad.gif
selfish or not it is the truth and we wont be here so thats why i dont give a shit although i should maybe, nothing can stop the effects of pollution now and frankly not many give a damn, its money money money that matters now what a sad world it has become.

[Vidus]

by act of god i meant it is nobodys fault, it is a saying in England and i just thought it was a global saying.

selfish or not it is the truth and we wont be here so thats why i dont give a shit although i should maybe, nothing can stop the effects of pollution now and frankly not many give a damn, its money money money that matters now what a sad world it has become.
Sorry Geosgaeno, I'm not a genious when it comes to English so I understood you wrong on that by act of god thing.
And yeah nothing can't stop the effects but it could be possible to slow them down by caring more.
On that money thing you are so right again so I don't want to blame you about anything. So I hope we are even, righthttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Geosgaeno]

how can we care more about tsunami's Vidus????, it is an act of god, nobody is to blame you see so we call it an act of God, you must have got mixed up whilst reading the sentence.

and im good at English litrature and language, so i actually know im righthttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/nana.gifhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Vidus]

how can we care more about tsunami's Vidus????
No there is nothing we can do about tsunami's, you are right. I ment that those other things can be slowed down by caring more.
Pollution decreasing would be the easiest way to do that. The other thing would be to stop cutting those rain forests down. There is only one but in both of those methods and it is like already said couple of times, MONEY.

[bjp4444]

selfish or not it is the truth and we wont be here so thats why i dont give a shit although i should maybe, nothing can stop the effects of pollution now and frankly not many give a damn, its money money money that matters now what a sad world it has become.
Well, if nothing can stop it, then why should any of us have kids? If it's a lost cause, then what's the point? That just seems like a very defeatist [and selfish] attitude to me. Maybe if everyone does their small part, then other people will join in. Or maybe they will be ignored. But you'll never know unless you try.

Thomas Edison said, "There is no substitute for hard work." And I think that applies here. Have there been many mistakes by mankind in regards to the enviroment and the planet? Yes. Does that mean, even though the problems may seem [or end up to be] insurmountable, that we should not even try to fix them? Of course not. Speaking hypothetically, if we did end up to clean the enviroment, who's to say that life expectancy wouldn't rise [I'm guessing that it would]? That, I think, would be benefitial to everyone. Only through the hard work of changing the wrongs of the past could we ever find this out. And, I think if you split the work up 6,439,245,437 times, it might not end up being as much as you think....http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/wink.gif

Working to improve the enviroment, at least in my own opinion, could only make your life better. I don't see what negative effect it could have. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't believe that I am. And I'm trying to do what I can. I avoid careless driving, and plan on buying a hybrid vehicle as soon as finacially possible. I recycle when given the opportunity, and don't try to waste energy. Is there more I could do? Sure. But we've all got to start somewhere, right?

-bjp

[Geosgaeno]

please dont get me wrong here i DO want to help out but i see it like this,

there are drug dealers, criminals in general, high ranked people (factory owners etc) that dont give a damn about anything and they will continue to not give a damn and therefore nothing will be done about the problem, i suggest that it is made a worldwide LAW to help the enviornment such as making people recycle litter.

i will help out and i do help out, but i will only begin to help out "properly" when it is compulsary and that i know that everyone will be doing it instead of letting the criminals get their own way once again (like they much often do).

The sooner we can all help out the better, but i believe the sooner is not close at all in Earths current situation. why cant i just go and live on the Moon away from this craphttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/bouncy.gif

[TheDragonKnight]

actauly in parts of canada its illegal not to recycle (and sort it too!) in guelph where my mom lives if you put out more than a certain amount of garbage a week you get charged extra for the pickup, so recuclying is a MUST to keep that cost down, and if you dont recycle properly you get slapped with a 500 dollar fine.

This might seem extream but guelps trash is remarkably low because of it.

You dont care becasue your not going to be around? well onn the off (and admitedly VERY small) chane you actauly procreate, think of the shape of planet your going to be leveing your kids? in as litle as 70 years teh sea level will (unless its speeds up) rise another 55 cm, becaus of a few laws of nature that means about 5 meters of coatline will vanish worldwide, thats nothing to sneeze at, that would be enough to turn the flordia swamps to out and out plain underwated, ever wanted to live on the island of florida?

thers plenty of places that are only about a meter or so above sea level, tehyd all sink, im not sure of its exact height but teh island of manhattan is up there at the top of the list!

[baron]

On the day after tommorow I'll be running karaoke (current date is May 10, 2005) (this is the joke of the year, please ignore)

[TheDragonKnight]

*beats baron with the noob stick*

And this is the serious discussion section, the single worst place to make lame (and unfunny to boot) jokes, or be off topic, and you are, off topic that is, despite your word play. This topic is about the currently ecological state of our planet, prehaps youd care to try contributing to the topic?

anyway back on topic for me.


since i know jsut plain numbers can be hard to deal with for some people (im the only perosn good with numbers in my immedate family) heres a good example. At our current rate, the island of Manhattan will be under water in about 50-70 years. Now most of us are pretty young, we'll lkely be around to see that.

add in another problem, melting ice caps are the only issue here (actauly melting ice isnt that big a problem, after all any floating ice has already dispalced its own weight in water) now heres a fun fact most arent aware of. As global temp rises the seas expand. (thermal effects, this is basic shit first second year highschool, if that. stuff expands as you heat it up) the ratio? one degree celcius globaly equals about an extra 10 centimeters of sea level. and THAT works out to around 100 centimeters of coast beaing eaten inwards in low lying areas.

River levels also rise, weve got more water in the oceans and thus more water going between them, anyone who lives in an area that actualy sees spring floods can imagine what would happen if your rivers started flooding their banks by an extra 10 centimeters. LA would certianly be a different place.

[Geosgaeno]

indeed the sea levels will rise and flood many heavy populated areas (ie Manhattan), but when all the ice caps melt and all the water is in liquid form, if we continue to polute the greenhouse gases would worsen and when the water evaporates wouldnt it turn poisonous after a while due to the heavy concentrations of acid in greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and then wouldnt this kill off mankind, just a thought.

and if it didnt turn poisonous do you think in millions of years (if some kind of humans are still around) we would evolve to live below the sea also and therefore build underground cities to live in and when these humans look back they may think global warming helped them become more knowledgable for technology???? im talking pure crap now, ignore if you want, but its a good fantasy.

[TheDragonKnight]

turn to poision after a while? it already has, two words "ACID RAIN!"

this isnt a case of "we are going to kill out planet" we ARE killing the planet, its already half dead, in as little as fifty years manhattan is going to be underwater, florida will nolonger be a continental state, most of the worlds island chains will turn into reefs.

as the tempature rises desert zones will expand, even with melting icecaps the amount of free water will diminish, we'll stop having wars over oil, it wil be over fresh water reserves.

as we cut down our rain forests and the sea level rises, it will change our weather patterens severe storms wil ebcoem more and more common as theres nolonger anything to act as a wind break for the continents.

our plant life REFLECTS the suns energy, as we continue to destroy it our planet will preserve more and more heat from the sun, further accelerating the problem.

make no mistake were screwing our planet and its the only one weve got.

[Geosgaeno]

turn to poision after a while? it already has, two words "ACID RAIN!"

i didnt mean it like that, although acid rain is poisonous it isnt deadly just yet, i was speculating that if it was to get so poisonous it would be like raining Hydrochloric Acid or Nitric Acid etc.

well looks like if we continue our planet will be like Venus sooner or later, we need to stop this decay right now, but it will be an uphill struggle with all the business and factory men in the world.

[TheDragonKnight]

aye well no its not that bad yet (and to be honest im not sure if it can) but it is certainly a larger issue than most are aware of, its already strong enough to be stripping old buildings, nopwadays newer structures are put up with the amount of damage they will suffer from acid rain in mind, and eco-systems are fragile things, changing the PH balance even a tiny bit can kill one off. it wouldnt take much, jsut enough more acid too kill off the weakest link in a food chain then the entire area would collapse.

[oneforthelord]

What's so nice about heat waves in the north? People have died from them. Unless of course people dying is a good thing. Which I think it isn't.

I think that you probably will never get more than 20-40% of the world population at most who will care about the environment. Why? Because when you are poor, hungry, afraid for your life or dying, you don't care. The majority of the world's population is in poverty, and if you were to ask them whether they would want food with the drawback of increasing global pollution versus decreasing global pollution yet giving them nothing except a cleaner environment to die in...anyone want to guess what their answer would be? (I kinda expect a moronic answer to this question to appear, there are always those kind of people... :/)

Admittedly, global warming is contributing to poverty in some places like central India, but when people are starving, the environment fades in importance.

[Lord Draud]

of course people dieing is a good thing, a heat wave will cull the sick the weak and the old from out ranks, easeing there burden on the economy and makeing more room for the healthy more productive of the world, you know that since we startednoticeing our enviroment has been getting better and better? it used t be that the smog in london was so thick people sufficated on it, sure its not perfect yet, and the media is telling us itsmgetting worse but realy all they are doing is covering what sells, and thats the bad new, the good news is taht we are doing stuff and its helping, like just recently a bay that was cleaned up in hamilton is starting to see wild life again, fish and foxes that where gone for over 20 years are now starting to come back, but you know what the peper says? that red hill is in danger, the lake in worse then ever and we are all gonna die unless we act now, i only read about the bay in a indapendit new paper that it free and does not run of war mongering and fear proffits! if you look at hamilton from the mountin you see a small forest with building sticking out of it its all green! now i know tis not like taht in toher places but come on people we don't need all the doom and gloom

[BAMAToNE]

I think that you probably will never get more than 20-40% of the world population at most who will care about the environment. Why? Because when you are poor, hungry, afraid for your life or dying, you don't care. The majority of the world's population is in poverty, and if you were to ask them whether they would want food with the drawback of increasing global pollution versus decreasing global pollution yet giving them nothing except a cleaner environment to die in...anyone want to guess what their answer would be?

I never really thought about it that way before, but I think you're exactly right. You see celebrities driving around in vehicles that run on vegetable oil and such and they complain about people driving SUVs and all that, but why are they so eccentric? Because they can afford to be. They don't live paycheck to paycheck. Their biggest worry is if their hair is going to look good today. Wanting to help clean up the environment is a worthy cause. Slamming people like us who are just trying to get by is just useless and will only cause a backlash.

I'm at work and I'm starting to lose my focus so that's all for now, heh. Good to see you, DF!

[Pezito]

Just passing by, but I'd like to point that the countries most concerned (or trying to get their people concerned) about pollution and global warming are the ones who cause the most damage to the environment, too. XD

I agree with the statement that when you starve, you couldn't care less about ecology ; it's just logical. However one must keep in focus that the biggest polluters are rarely the poorest countries... It takes some money and industry to increase global warming, ironically. (¬_¬);

[Astrolounge]

Humanity is very arrogant to think we could actually destroy the earth without direct effort.

[Lord Draud]

i say nuke the worl and start overe again in 100 million years

[Astrolounge]

If the planet blew up, it WOULD reconstruct itself.
Sort of.

[Lord Draud]

welli ment wipe the face of the planet clean and start anew with a fresh slate, exept for like a worning to the next race that arises about what we did and why a few sane peple desided to end it all rather then us go on

[Locke]

I'd recomend reading http://xi.digistem.com/index.php?option=com_ewriting&Itemid=47&func=storyinfo&story=1

It's a short etext that's hosted on a buddy of mine's website, I'd recomend checking it out. Deals with ... well, read it. It's related to the last couple posts on this thread.