What about Africa??

[Vidus]

Everyone is talking about the tsunami catastrophe which I completely understand but what about Africa.

Seventy percent of its people live on less than $2 a day. 200 million go hungry every day. This year at least a million Africans, most of them young children, will die of malaria and two million will die of AIDS.

I don't remember when I had cried like I cried when watching a document telling about the poverty and diseases in Africa.:cry:

[Lord Draud]

its become sort of the norm to most people, Africa has always been a hard place its not forgiving in anyway even when there was no big technology it was that way and rather then help machiens seem to harm more, and its because mostly of the way africans have set up there culturs, its a tribal soceity and they have been raised for generations taht the tribe is more importent then anything and the stronger tribe rule over the weaker ones, thus we get the warlords that grab all the food and such for there tribe and they don't share it. at elast taht my take on it

[Vidus]

What are your feelings when you see pictures or news from Africa?
Could you imagine yourself doing some kind of helping work in Africa?
How would you manage a day with only 2 dollars to spent?
Could you think yourself in a situation where you would adopt a child from Africa?

[Yojimbo]

well lemme answer my verdict on those 4 questions;

1) well it can be quite upseting, but it is there own fault for spitting kids out here, there and everywhere when they know that they cannot look after them and that they have passed AIDS down to them, and also it is natural for them, because science proves that people living in the southern hemisphere are not mentally advanced as people in the northern hemisphere and therefore they are not capable of getting themselves to the way we live, it is their destiny.

2) i wouldnt dream of doing any help work in Africe because i would end up catching a lethal disease/virus, and also i alone could not and would never be able to save them, i dont think anyone can.....ever.

3) well if they only get 2 dollars it is not much use to them anyway, its not like there are any shops around, its loads of jungle and wilderness

4) nope....never.

[daniel]

I beleieve we should steralise the whole lot of them.....its the only humane thing to do.

Also why is it acceptable to interfere with africa but not to interfere with iraq. Essentially they are the same thing, so if you are against the iraq war don't tell me to help africa. If i had the money i would send my money to somewhere that is going to make good use of it...not africa where corrupt regimes will just eat it away and not when the ppl will just carry on suffering.

either we a. topple their governments with the army along with the Useless nations (UN) or

b. we steralise them

we don't

c. waste our time and money trying to help out a country that cannot help itself....i feel really sorry for them but nothing else will work.

No time for liberals here

[Vidus]

If i had the money i would send my money to somewhere that is going to make good use of it...not africa where corrupt regimes will just eat it away and not when the ppl will just carry on suffering.
I agree with you that the money we donate isn't always going to those who are in need but that's the same thing with every country. I don't see that Africa would be worse in this area. People love money and they do everything to get it as sad as it is.

[Grey Fox]

Well you cannot help Africa or any other L.E.D.C. from becoming and M.E.D.C. like America for example, its far out of the question. Places like Bangladesh for example are in too much dept with other countries and that the birth rate is higher then the death rate which will create a population explosion which then would mean disaster. The country cannot support the population now. It would take a tremendous effort from all wealthy countries to financially stabilise them. Virual diseases especially aids are of great concern, they cannot be cured only treated if there has to be a world wide effort and it has to be now, and it will cost wealthy countries so many 0's to help these poverty strickened counties which cannot be finalised. Which in turn makes me think is there a god? There is too much suffering and death we should all count ourselves lucky. We can do something though to help but it is minimal really.

[Yojimbo]

like daniel said before, that they should be sterilised, i agree. these africans that go around carrying AIDS passing it on to every tom, dick and harry should be executed as it lets off a major and i mean major chain reaction and eventually if they dont give up the human race will no longer exist.

execute them and burn them off in a sacraficial bonfire.

[daniel]

By steralised I mean to stop them having kids.....not executed, thats barbaric

[Grey Fox]

Well you cannot help Africa or any other L.E.D.C. from becoming and M.E.D.C. like America for example, its far out of the question. Places like Bangladesh for example are in too much dept with other countries and that the birth rate is higher then the death rate which will create a population explosion which then would mean disaster. The country cannot support the population now. It would take a tremendous effort from all wealthy countries to financially stabilise them. Virual diseases especially aids are of great concern, they cannot be cured only treated if there has to be a world wide effort and it has to be now, and it will cost wealthy countries so many 0's to help these poverty strickened counties which cannot be finalised. Which in turn makes me think is there a god? There is too much suffering and death we should all count ourselves lucky. We can do something though to help but it is minimal really.

[Grey Fox]

sos people I sent same post time comp bein gay u see

[Grey Fox]

even that didn't make sense, I blame it because I just finished work I meant sos people I sent the same post twice comps bein gay

[Grey Fox]

I believe that people with aids do need sortin out its a long and horrible way to die they must be a way of lettin am hav a quick death (prob pick a fight with a elephant the elephant will sort em out)

[Vidus]

There is too much suffering and death we should all count ourselves lucky. We can do something though to help but it is minimal really.
Yes.We really are lucky but what about if you had born in Africa. For me it always helps to help other people when I imagine myself in their situation.

[daniel]

Had to bad rep you grey....man what have you done...quadrupel post

[Vidus]

Do you honestly think that the money you donate goes to where it's suppose to?
I have my doupts. Red cross, Unicef and the other helping organisations for sure take a hell more money to themselves than they say they do.

[Yojimbo]

that looks realy bad grey fox, im sure you know how to "EDIT" your post.

next time think on

[daniel]

I agree vidus...they can all piss off, they don't support helping iraq...so I don't support helping africa.

[Vidus]

The strange thing about Africa is that South Africa has locations that are pretty much like cities in Europe for example. Even more strange is that a lot of white people live there and I know that those white people living in South Africa aren't poor. Could someone tell me what the heck is going on there?

[Lord Draud]

when britain desided all of the world should belong to it they set of governments liket hat 10,000 white guys controlling the millions of natives, it didn't turn out great but it still happening in S.A, amazingly i find my self agreeing with danny boy and yojimbo i think that if you have aids ether goto a island with all the other aids people or get shot right now, i mean in the end they will only spread it and untill we find a cure its one of the fastest spreading plaugs of all time. as fort eh four questions i wil answer
1) when i see pic of starving babys and what not i chuckle or just out and out sneer at them
2) the only time i would goto africa is to take it over and empose the sorta of peace that works well over there , by the gun! they respond to strong leader ship
3) thats 2 dollors US, that a full days wages to us of money to them its more then what they would make living on a far, same as nike "sweatshops" they are giving money to people that didn't have any befor and they are helping the local economy slowly so that it can adapt to the influx of money
4) i personaly would not adopt a kid from africa not when china has babys with flat head cause they grew up lying in a crib never being picked up in there life

[jetblue]

From africa is were aids came from and from africa is were aids will be cured.
So much of the poulation does'nt even know they have it and spread it.
But its all natural. Evolution in all its glory.
Its very sad but Aids will grow more deadly and virulant and many more africans will die. But the more the africans get aids the more chance they will give birth to full immunity. And when outsiders come to africa to satisfy there jungle fever and catch and spread aids to there small poulations back at there homes they will probably will not develop immunity and be wiped out while africa replenishes.
Its all really strange if you think about it. Who knows how many plauges have come and gone through the history of our species and sub species.

But one day I will climb kilimanjaro and kiss the heavens.

[Yojimbo]

well to be honest, it would do this planet better if africa wasnt there, only bad things come out of it except fruits etc. we should ship the fruit trees etc and plant them in the lower states in the usa to grow.

and also lets send all the criminals over to help these diseased peoples of africa, im sure it would stop them from commiting crimes when they realise that someone might pass on a deadly disease. the only decent country from africa is South Africa

[Vidus]

and also lets send all the criminals over to help these diseased peoples of africa, im sure it would stop them from commiting crimes when they realise that someone might pass on a deadly disease.
What a great idea that is. Those jails in western countries for example are always too comfortable anyway. In Africa a rapist would be in a difficult situation because it would be almost impossible to commit a rape without getting aids. Those who commited an economy crime wouldn't have nothing to steal. Yes this really is a good idea indeed.http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/wink.gif

[jetblue]

I would love to visit South Africa. See Mandela and that resort they have that looks like a wierd lost city. And there national anthem is one of the best I ever heard. And that worlds largest fetish market would be a site to see. The first thing I would buy is a monkey's hand.
America should send there criminals to the south like they use to. With chain-gangs. All kinds of parasites and diseases there. When I was a kid in texas I caught scabies. Pure hell it was. Little creatures that dig under your skin and itch so bad you just want to peel off your own skin.
And all the snakes. Sometimes I could'nt even go outside because there were so many damn snakes. Ill never forget the time a silver wierd looking snake got into the kitchen and killed my aunt's cat.
Even here in illinois there's west nile virus and lyme disease. When I go into my forest I always wear my boots with the pants tucked in and still sometimes a tick gets through. I had one on my calf for 3 months 2 years ago because I did'nt have the heart to kill it. Plus it dug its head in deep under my flesh. I tried everything to coax it off. It grew to the size of index fingernail and was translucent blue. Only the grey ones have the lyme disease and it just died on its own.

[TheDragonKnight]

i was orignally going to post here, someting relivant and on topic, refuting the foolish claims and stupidty ive seen here, then i noticed all the reputable fourm members have avoided this topic. im sure theres a vriety of reasons, but i think they could be summed up as "you people make me sick."

a topic like this makes me wish there was a report topic option not just individual posts, alas there is not (that ive found).

this could have bee na decent serous topic, however it has been forever damned by a your ignorance.

you find starving babies humourous? you think we should jsut shoot them all? or ship off our felons?

how about suggestng somethig usefull? something as simple as supplying them condoms would go along way to solving the problem, we arealy give away condoms in our highschools, in a simple attempt to prevent teen pregnancy, why not ship a few crates to prevetn the spread of aids? or the birth of children that familys cant feed?

[Yojimbo]

how about suggestng somethig usefull? something as simple as supplying them condoms would go along way to solving the problem
well if my research is correct, then western countries have already supplied Africa with tons of condoms and supplies each year, but they just dont want to listen to our "good advice", and so they dont use the condoms thus more people get AIDS.

[Vidus]

this could have bee na decent serous topic, however it has been forever damned by a your ignorance.

you find starving babies humourous? you think we should jsut shoot them all? or ship off our felons?

how about suggestng somethig usefull? something as simple as supplying them condoms would go along way to solving the problem, we arealy give away condoms in our highschools, in a simple attempt to prevent teen pregnancy, why not ship a few crates to prevetn the spread of aids? or the birth of children that familys cant feed?
Finally someone who has a good heart, TheDragonKnight you really make me happy.:) Although others has had some facts on their posts, there really is lots of things that make helping really difficult, they also have suggested some terrible acts for helping Africa.

If there just were more peole like TheDragonKnight, the world would be much more better place to live for Africans too.

I just watched one document about Africa again and they always make me feel that I must help those people as fast as possible.

[daniel]

I gave a bad rep to Draud and yojimbo for what they said , but I do think steralisation is more humane. YOU dragonknight must live with the fact that the more they breed the more they die. My way is cheaper, wiser and more humane (aybe not to the stupid liberals who are ruining us). Maybe steralise just a large majority so they are not ALL killed off at natural death. And by steralise I aean in a humane way that causes next to no suffering. Either that or leave them to it as the liberals say over Iraq "We should not interfere", now shove that in your pipes and smoke it liberals

Shooting them and laughing at dying ppl is a disgrace

[Grey Fox]

Yes I would agree with Daniel on this subject sterilisation is the correct way to deal with this issue. And what Lord Draud stated on his last post made me think does he need to see a psychiatrist? Laughing at dying people is a disgrace and by stating that using a gun would be a great way for Africans to respond to leadership. African’s aren’t really governed by anybody they have to work hard enough as it is to keep themselves alive. With a hegemonic hierarchy with which Lord Draud states Africa would be governed by Nazi’s and he would be Adolph Hitler

[Grey Fox]

sorry sp Adolf Hitler

[Vidus]

I was really amazed and disappointed when I read from somewhere that South Africa spends 10 percent of her budget on the military and only one percent on AIDS patients. I really think it should the other way around. It should spend 10 percent on AIDS patients and 1 percent on the military.

[TheDragonKnight]

i agree that its a serious problem, and yes most will have to die eventualy, there is no cure for aids, and those with it will die, however with some awarness (im willing to be condoms or no, thres not much in the way of hiv testing going on there)

we need to make these people want to help them selves first, as teh saying goes you can lead a horse to wter but you cant make it drink.

i think if all the infected people understood what they would be inflicting on their children we could see the aids infected population drop drasticly.

though there are no quick solutions, even best case it would take 2 or 3 generations at least for true benifts to be seen, and i think thats why its stayed the same, politicians (for the most part) only care about looking good during their tenure, they dont give shit once its not their job, everyone wants quick fixes but ther earent any that are acceptable. (shooting them all is cetainly not acceptable)

<greyfox, learn to use your edit button, the edit button is your friend, it prevents you from looking like a damn fool.>

<Edit: turns out someone decided i deserved a bad reputation point for my previous post, fourtnately they lacked the influence for it to matter, so heres a point to remeber, bad reputation isnt for whenever you disagree with someone, its for when someone makes a truly bad post, like laughing at babies, or if someone is in violation of the fourm rules (like oh double posting.) you'll al note that despite disagreing with your opinions (even to the point of finding them repellent) i didnt give bad feedback for it.>

[jetblue]

I got one of those bad rep's a few days ago to. Is'nt it funny? Its like High School with all the notes and graffiti. :)

If I had the money I would do the following for African brothers and sister's:
Clean water plants,so there babies wont die of colera and other water borne bacteria.
Begin public works and drain out the swamps for controlled irrigation for fields,to eliminate the greatest threat to the africans,more so than aids,the Mosquito.
Begin snake farms like in India to produce antivenom for 200 plus poisonous snakes and spider.
Teach them modern Agriculture.
Basic schooling in there native tounges and history to combat Ignorance and teach tolerance of there tribal neigbors
And then teach basic birth control,with condoms and without. And Std awareness.
And last teach respect for there rich enviroment. Animal preservation,seasonal hunting,etc. I hope Africa does'nt end up like the amazon. Its almost gone. So much of its been destroyed already Im afraid its beyond help. But africa is still wild and some parts unexplored.

Much of this has to be volunteers and little or no money so there wont be greedy opportunists. Or outsiders like missionaries or corporate.
Ther's more but my flu has weakened me. need more nyquil and advil. still so very weak.

[Lord Draud]

sigh the problem in that even if they use condoms so many of then are infected that there population would drop to levels to low to support there country they would go from over population to under populated in a matter of years. the reson i laught at starving babys is because inthe end we are not doing anything to help them realy, sending them food is great but in makes them dependent on US we need to get people over there with money to set of jobs get tehre econmy moveing, but hey what do i know i just took a economics class in high school. also use the edit button grey. and guess what your right i nuts i laugh at dying people and think that ruleing by force works, and by the by nazi germany didn't use force on its own population they used manipulation they only used force of the people they sent to death camps, and they countrys they took over. all i am doing is loking at what has worked over there, no other leaders other then warlords hold power for long all you need is a government with a bigger gun and people will listen hell its how america works they guy with the most money and power wins

[TheDragonKnight]

Druad you first: unforutnatly you are right in all to many instances (not just in africa) whoever controls more force is the man in charge,


jetblue: I AGREE! we could argue for ages over what is more important in that list, but in the end it all needs to be done. i was nowhere near as specific as you in my suggestions, cheers mate, looks like youve done your homework.


As for the condom/birth control drasticly reducing their population, prehaps it will, the native african race may already be doomed and we cant stop it. However, to prevent mass depopulation in a matter of two generations, we need an oversight program to limit the reproduction rate of parents with HIV, obviously as a race to continue they need a future generation, no too ways aobut it, infected or not.

the key here is to give the uninfected population a chance to start outnumbering the infected poopulation. and even if we managed to suddenly impliment a wide scale hiv testing and birth control program, people are people, some ignornat idiot will keep fucking even though hes infected, some wonman will keep speading her legs, knowing her kids will have aids because of it.

the process needs to be slow, multi-generational, and thats the biggest issue, time, people and even governments are willing to throw wads of cassh at the problem to make themselves look good, but noone wants to spend their time on it.

and then of course the inevitable exploitation, you know it will happen, i mean look at the tsunami disaster, christan missionary's rode into a destroyed community and then refused aid unless they people convert. thats simply despicable.

[Vidus]

When viewing those post above I found some excellent point of views. It's obvious that we all have our own thoughts about this subject but charing those opinions with others makes us understand the world we're living in.

When it comes to curing AIDS I heard from somewhere that they really are getting forward with the medicine development. They are testing it with real people already. I hope they can come up with something good and that the HI-virus wouldn't be able to generate an immunity against it.

As a response to the condom discussion I have to say that africans need much more information and control. The teaching have to be started from children cause they are Africa's future. The system we use in western countries to give info, for our own people about AIDS for example, should be more efficiently transfer to Africa. Those condoms don't benefit africans if they use them as a chewing gum.

Malaria and those other less dangerous diceases could be wiped out if only africans would have better immunity but that isn't possible without food. I have a friend that was in Africa and got some kind of dicease from there but because of his immunity he just took couble of pills and that was all he had to do to get the virus out of him.

If only I would have a magic staff...:(

[Blade Tanaka]

Well really I agree with DragonKingh. there isn't really much we can do but what we can does help. another problem is taht some of these people son't understand because they don't have the same education and teachins and knolagde taht we have. They don't really notice tath what they are doing is wrong and can lead to death and other such things. Reall the best theing we can do is send people to help and teach them how to help themselves. Another huge problem is ht e fact taht forinesr are comingalong and sudden;y saying that what they've been doing there hole life is wrong ans that they need to change. Really we need to take this one small step at a time and do the best we can. ^o^

[Lord Draud]

one of the real problem faceing the world is the fact that the companys that make the "cures" for things like aids don't want to cure them, if they cure them then they can't make money treating it, look at it like this they can make a few million cureing it or they can make a few billion treating it in the end they don't give a rats ass about human lives but money money is what drives them. it makes me sick

[Blade Tanaka]

Yeah... But then there are the few who get into it because they've been affected by it and want other to not have to go through the pain of it getting to them. ^o^

[TheDragonKnight]

druad is once again correct (geee i gotta stop agreeing with him it looks bad :P) big pharmicitacl companies dont want cures, cures are cheap, tehy want treatment, treatment is expensive, and long term, theres no money in a cure.

i mean i challenge you to name 5 major illness that has been "cured" in the last century.

[Lord Draud]

heh did you know they have a pill out that will stop aidin the first week of infection? its only availible to doctors and other top persons that run high risk of infection but tis not open for the public?

[daniel]

heh did you know they have a pill out that will stop aidin the first week of infection? its only availible to doctors and other top persons that run high risk of infection but tis not open for the public?

sounds dubious to me:) you have a link? this is interesting if true

[Lord Draud]

damn, no i saw it in a medical journal last year about this pill, then i saw it again on the show E.R. rerun last week and it reminded me about it and was like " oh yeah i remember reading about that i wounder why it has not come out for the public"

[Geosgaeno]

an anti aids pill you say, yeah ive heard of that before i always wondered why they wont turn it in to the public, it would save a lot of lives and make millions in the process. im sure soon enough when AIDS becomes even worse than it already is they will decide to release it.

[Vidus]

an anti aids pill you say, yeah ive heard of that before i always wondered why they wont turn it in to the public, it would save a lot of lives and make millions in the process. im sure soon enough when AIDS becomes even worse than it already is they will decide to release it.
It can be so that nothing happens until AIDS becomes more common in western countries. I don't mean that there had to be as many hiv-positives as there is in Africa, but more than there is now.

Ok, lets pretend that AIDS has become more common in western countries. The anti aids pill will be turned in to the public and people will buy them. I say buy cause I don't really believe that drug manufacturer's would give their products for free. Africa would be still struggeling with aids cause african's can't afford those drugs.

I think that it would have to be a major aids spreading process before those drugs would be free. There is still one thing I'm happy about considering this anti aids pill. People have been able to create something that is working against aids.

[Geosgaeno]

yup, agreed. the more research put into helping AIDS the better.

also i hate it how all these fatal diseases just pop up out of nowhere, its God punishing us for something, but he is punishing the wrong people, a shame really. well im sure one day that most diseases will be stopped by scientists but then a new one will just pop up to baffle them again, the never ending cycle of death just like on FFX

[Lord Draud]

LOL no its not god punishing us there is a rather simple answer to your quetion. its that the world is shrinking, people can go any where in the world in a matter of hours so you could goto the congo, get some tropical virus,and the next day be in london england , die three days later but by then its over the world, in the old day it would take WEEKS to get to anywhere thus the virus would die out befor it hit a major population zone, aids is nothing more then the afect of faster means of traveling oh and did you know that in any given western country they HIV and aids count is 1.5% that might not seem like much but just think 1 out of every 75 people you meet has it when will they start saying "oh shit we need to get on top of this now"?

[Geosgaeno]

yeah remember my school days when me and a few friends used to stay away from the skanky people incase they had diseases, im guessing i should have spent less time around my sexy girls because they are probably at a higher risk, nevermind i didnt catch anything.

[Vidus]

I heard today that some politics are planning to make a tax that is taken from people who use airplains. I think they are going to add some extra into tickets prize. The taxes would be then used to prevent and cure diseases in Africa.
It was said that the money that Africa would get from this could save 3 000 000 people from dying every year. This is because the money would be used in medical care.
I might be too sceptic but I think that they are doing this because they can buy those services from their own countries and this way support their countries economy. But if they honestly want Africas best I think this is a good idea. Those flying tickets are expensive already and a little extra tax wouldn't do any harm. Mostly those who use airplains are so fealthy that it doesn't show in their accounts.

[Lord Draud]

heh i wat to travel cheap, as a guy that hold packages for teh flights and flys them and hands them over

[silverDistortioN]

I heard today that some politics are planning to make a tax that is taken from people who use airplains. I think they are going to add some extra into tickets prize. The taxes would be then used to prevent and cure diseases in Africa.
It was said that the money that Africa would get from this could save 3 000 000 people from dying every year. This is because the money would be used in medical care.
I might be too sceptic but I think that they are doing this because they can buy those services from their own countries and this way support their countries economy. But if they honestly want Africas best I think this is a good idea. Those flying tickets are expensive already and a little extra tax wouldn't do any harm. Mostly those who use airplains are so fealthy that it doesn't show in their accounts.(haha... i went to quote this and i accidently clicked "edit" and it took me to a screen asking me to delete the post. kinda freaked me out for a moment! XD
anyway...)

i think this is a *horrible* idea. the airline business is still ailing from 9/11, and i doubt many of the companies could stand the stress of an additional tax like that.

and most people who fly are *not* rich. that's why there are so many more coach seats than first class seats.

i mean, why tax *flying* to aid africa? it just seems like a totally arbitrary decision to me.