What is the thing that pisses you off most and alot in ur life?

[Marona]

Video game buying.Here is an example and latest.When I went to Ebgames in my town,I was looking for .hack//outbreak.It had it before when I was looking for .hack//mutation(but they didn't have mutation).So i got mutation over the internet.

When I went in Ebgames,guess what.

They had mutation

No outbreak

I mean WTF?!IT FEELS LIKE ALL THESE DAMN VIDEO GAME STORES ARE STALKING ME!ITS CREEPY!!!*hides in the corner shaking*

[Yojimbo]

i know how you feel, i went to the video game shop in my town and saw FF7 (needed a new FF7 because i lent my old one out and it never came back), went back the day after to get FF7 and it had gone???. the same shop then didnt have any copies of metal gear solid 'substance', really pissed me off, i mean whats the point of opening a store if you dont have the right amount of stock to cope with demand?

[TheDragonKnight]

Stupidity, plain simple stupidity, nothing specail, nothing specifc, just generic idioicy.

[M.H.A.Q.S.]

People manipulating others for their desires and those who like to show off.

[Kilu]

Ignorance and arrogance.

[Zeugma 440]

People who can't help showing off by making fun of everyone
Unkept promises (but it doesn't happen that often)
Glitches and encoding hiccups in awesome music tracks

[eViL bAz]

Unfair Acusations I think its the thing that piss me off hehehe

[Yojimbo]

Many things hack me off, a main thing is crappy computer speeds although my connection is quite fast, and computer crashes. Also i hate this English weather.

[Blade Tanaka]

People calling me in the important parts of Games for example I was playing .hack//infection adn I was called downstais to do somthing (near the end of an area too 5 floors all but oine fight comleated) and when I came back my brother had shut the game offhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/mad2.gif... Also getting phone calls in the middle of playing... (DAMN YOU DOREAGARDE) I was fighting the boss of Kindom Hearts Chain Of Memories when HE called and when I sat down to finish the last half a bar of health he had... flick I BARLY TOUCHED the power swich and it shut off......http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/mad2.gifhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/mad2.gifhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/mad2.gif...

Also I hate it when my stupid brother asks questions while I wch TV with him.. a simple plot point is explained and then he'll say somthin like 'So does that mean he left because of..." YES and he'l go on and on and on and BLEH... well taht's about it for now... heh heh ^o^

[bjp4444]

the lack of accountablity people have these days. now it's, "deny it til you die."

-bjp

[Blade Tanaka]

If that's the way you see it then so be it... ^o^

[TheDragonKnight]

ahh i REALLY REALLY hate having my sleep inturrupted, i mean if its important sure, but shit like some idiot shoveling his driveway at 530 am, or my cat going nuts just PISSES me off, i mean if i wasent so tired and out of it id likely get up and break something :P

heh nature balances it self, the one thing that can easly inspire me to violence ensures i lack the energy to actualy commit said viloence :P

[Chaos]

Commercials always pisses me of.

[Blade Tanaka]

Or how about trying to wach a half four movie with your dad consantly changing back to wach the news? It took me 2 hrs to wach .hack//Liminality the second part... GRRR ^o^

[DonQuixote]

acid base equilibrium reactions.

[Yojimbo]

i cant stand it when you are almost out of space on your HD and dont have enough memory for something you want, and i cant afford a back-up HD at the moment either.

[Zeugma 440]

I'd just say :

1) you need to know what you really need on your HD... when I have this kind of problem, I always manage to free space by deleting random junk or softwares/games I don't use anymore

2) CD/DVD burners are made for this kind of situation :D

[Blade Tanaka]

People telling you waht to do.... Just kidding heh heh:evillaugh: ... ^o^

[Vidus]

Nothing pisses me of more than those phonecalls starting " Would you have some time to talk about our product" or something like that. I'm meaning telephone marketing. If I really need something I can buy it from a store. Is there really people who buy from those meanies except old people.

Oh and then there is these guys who drive their cars like maniacs sliding on a slippery road. There is so many unskillful drivers in the traffic that I would raise the age of getting the drivers licence from 18 to 30 for guys.

[Grey Fox]

ummm well things that piss me off. Well money is a big issue the gap between rich and poor is forever widening, and too high of prices. That there are too many brainless people out there who just seem to exist to bug the good people. Can't hardly relax because of work and sixth-form, set too much work especially psychology. Random phone calls piss me off...'u have won a prize' yeah bet I have. I can write more but too tired at the mo.

Boomshanka

[Blade Tanaka]

I like to play with tell-a-marketers heads... Like while playing halflife when they call just say hold on a sec... Pull out youyr loudest gun put the phone up to the speaker and pull hard for a few seeconds and then say "yeah?" ^o^

[Sobou]

Two words: My siblings. >.<

[Blade Tanaka]

Ahh how many do you have? I'm the midle of eight.... Mow you should REALLY know the meaning of annoy sigblings... You should also try doing there laundry... V_V ^o^

[Sobou]

I have two of 'em. But I shouldn't call them "siblings". I should call them "hellspawn".

[Blade Tanaka]

Heh Heh.... Yup that about sums it up... At least I'm not at home now.... ^o^

[Maxin]

Yeah, the older brother when I was growing up was definitely something that pissed me off to no end sometimes...

We get along better now that we are no longer under the same roof, though...

[daniel]

let's see:

1. Liberals and do-gooders. These people say that they are righteous and good, I think they are stupid and evil. They suggest no death penalty and always push for "more humane ways" of punishing criminals. This leads to a high rate of crime. IN britain 1950 the crime rate was 20,000 cases a year, now thanks to YOU LIBERAL ARSEHOLES OUT THERE its 800,000 a year (as of 2004) WELDONE. Worst of all the silly idiots find it impossible to accept that they are the soul reason for the boom in crime. Let me spell out the equation fat heads

Mindless criminal + Soft punishment = no deterrent + higher crime + miserable and angry people.

THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE

2. People that disagree with alot of my so called opinions. Some of them I believe to be fact not opinion but I am kinda living with the fact that I am not god

3. A follow on to number 2...I am pissed off that I am not a supreme being (I don't really wanna be THE god...I would not be able to cope). If i were I guarentee you this world would be better, I have fantasies about zapping all serious criminals. Also you know them people that walk past you and say something intimidating for no apparent reason....well they are dropped from a 30 foot height

4. Islam. An awful religion that the liberal media brainwashes us into accepting. It breeds chaos, restriction on freedom and abolishes rights - also believes it should be the head of every country. Britain will wake up to it more as time goes on, where I live we have already woken up to it.

5. Yobs who are so unintelligent its unbelievable. Speaking like this: "innit, want a punch, yer torkin ta me"

6. Unintelligent and illogical people. Some people for instance that love britney spears music but call game music "sad"

[daniel]

Bug with forum. My last post was not seen as the last post so this was not bumped to the top.

[Yuffie]

Men with bad toilet aim. Yuk.

Most food. :p

People who try to force me into their religion when I'm supposed to be free to choose. O.o

Teachers who can't teach. :p

That's enough for now, don't want to sound like too much of a grump. ;)

[Grey Fox]

erm well adverts piss me off esp when a really good film is on, when u can't sleep and gettin up in the mornings

[Blade Tanaka]

let's see:

1. Liberals and do-gooders. These people say that they are righteous and good, I think they are stupid and evil. They suggest no death penalty and always push for "more humane ways" of punishing criminals. This leads to a high rate of crime. IN britain 1950 the crime rate was 20,000 cases a year, now thanks to YOU LIBERAL ARSEHOLES OUT THERE its 800,000 a year (as of 2004) WELDONE. Worst of all the silly idiots find it impossible to accept that they are the soul reason for the boom in crime. Let me spell out the equation fat heads

Mindless criminal + Soft punishment = no deterrent + higher crime + miserable and angry people.

THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE

2. People that disagree with alot of my so called opinions. Some of them I believe to be fact not opinion but I am kinda living with the fact that I am not god

3. A follow on to number 2...I am pissed off that I am not a supreme being (I don't really wanna be THE god...I would not be able to cope). If i were I guarentee you this world would be better, I have fantasies about zapping all serious criminals. Also you know them people that walk past you and say something intimidating for no apparent reason....well they are dropped from a 30 foot height

4. Islam. An awful religion that the liberal media brainwashes us into accepting. It breeds chaos, restriction on freedom and abolishes rights - also believes it should be the head of every country. Britain will wake up to it more as time goes on, where I live we have already woken up to it.

5. Yobs who are so unintelligent its unbelievable. Speaking like this: "innit, want a punch, yer torkin ta me"

6. Unintelligent and illogical people. Some people for instance that love britney spears music but call game music "sad"
You got isues my friend... Y'see not every thing you think is the common intrest. People like you (No offense) piss me off because of the lack of respect towards other peoples opinions. Yes I hate Brittany Spears as much as the next person I nkow but if someone dosen't like VGM who cares it's a matter of taste not skill. I know that it does not take much to make Pop music but so what?

And for your insult to govorment. Those people were just like you. Who's to say you would tdo a better job? There are people I nkow who have been corrupt by power. people who promis change but never give it. What would you do and would you really do it?

And I can eaisaly see why people disagree with your opnions becasue they have the cllosed mende feel to them with little though or regard towards others. You seem not to understand but to destroy, and that you are always right

What would you doif you were the 'supreme being" what would that accomplish? the fact that alll you want is power seems toshow why you do not have it.

And what do you have agains Islam really? They are indeed a great nation. I may not agree with everything they do but what can I really do? Complaing to us isn't really gonna help you nor do we really care if you hate them. That's not the piont of this thread. It's to say the LITTLE annoying things in life. Not the hugely pickings at things just cuz you don't agree with it.

And really what's wrong with a bit of slang? Just cuz you don't like it dosn't mean its' bad Ilike slang myself and use it often in my speach. Plus l33 t is the coolest online speak I've ever hard of. So eally what's with your annoying and stupid beef with eerything? Being pissed off about it won't help and making a big deel over it makes it worse. Pesonal ythe things that make me mad really I can look back and laugh at. ^o^

[Zeugma 440]

Teachers who can't teach. :p
:rofl: :rofl: Yeah, that's an issue we all have to face with one day or the other :D

I won't say anything about daniel's opinion, since we appear to have completely opposite point of views on several points he mentioned... especially points 2 and 3 (you apparently need to think more about yourself but that's your problem, not mine)...

[Vidus]

One of my hobbies is bodybuilding and because of that I always eat properly. Although I eat much more than an average guy my dad still often asks me if I have eaten enough. He thinks that rice, pasta, chicken etc.. are not real food. Sometimes this really piss me of but because I don't get mad easily (if someone can make me lose my temper I will give 20€ to him/her) it doesn't show.

Ok. I know that my dad is just worried about me but hey I'm 22 years old, Come on.

[daniel]

You got isues my friend... Y'see not every thing you think is the common intrest. People like you (No offense) piss me off because of the lack of respect towards other peoples opinions. Yes I hate Brittany Spears as much as the next person I nkow but if someone dosen't like VGM who cares it's a matter of taste not skill. I know that it does not take much to make Pop music but so what?

And for your insult to govorment. Those people were just like you. Who's to say you would tdo a better job? There are people I nkow who have been corrupt by power. people who promis change but never give it. What would you do and would you really do it?

And I can eaisaly see why people disagree with your opnions becasue they have the cllosed mende feel to them with little though or regard towards others. You seem not to understand but to destroy, and that you are always right

What would you doif you were the 'supreme being" what would that accomplish? the fact that alll you want is power seems toshow why you do not have it.

And what do you have agains Islam really? They are indeed a great nation. I may not agree with everything they do but what can I really do? Complaing to us isn't really gonna help you nor do we really care if you hate them. That's not the piont of this thread. It's to say the LITTLE annoying things in life. Not the hugely pickings at things just cuz you don't agree with it.

And really what's wrong with a bit of slang? Just cuz you don't like it dosn't mean its' bad Ilike slang myself and use it often in my speach. Plus l33 t is the coolest online speak I've ever hard of. So eally what's with your annoying and stupid beef with eerything? Being pissed off about it won't help and making a big deel over it makes it worse. Pesonal ythe things that make me mad really I can look back and laugh at. ^o^

Blade you need to read my post again and come back when you understand it

I was NOT saying I wanted power. I want to sort the mess that people like you make with your unbelievable naivety.

I was NOT saying i dislike people who speak like "innit" they do annoy anyway, I was saying I dislike YOBS

I aint getting into the Isla thing again but if you think they are a wondrerful religion, well I have nothing more to add on this ISLAM IS NOT A NATION either and it is NOT A RACE. A race is like jews etc. Christian and Islam are RELIGIONS. That is classic liberal brainwashing from TV blade I see it allll the time my friend

Once again NO it is NOT a matter of taste. To dislike VGM and to love Britney is a classic contradiction on an opinion/fact level (I dispair I really do). It annoys me that this can happen but those who do love Britney music are usually of lower level existence and or intelligence.

So you know why I don't have power Blade, could you tell everyone how to become God then?

ALSO it DOES take alot to make GOOD pop music, ABBA are great

And it is natural for somebody who is arrogant and right to annoy people. That is why I like Bush, in any cases he has it spot on (others he is not). If I were in power as government people like you would just be ignored. No higher level constructive argument at all, just naivety, brainwashed, same old rubbish. ordinary human. There are some "insults" for you blade.

No offense taken either, and my dislike for certain opinions ties right in with my "wrong/bad opinion" argument. My lack of respect for opinions is only absurd opinions like the Britney one

Now don't get angry Blade that is also a basic human emotion that I practice as my country is torn apart by liberals and Islam.

I have issues? Explain if you lived here and with my life you wouldn't please? I know what is right for this world. It is someone like me and I have absoloutely no intention of being modest.#

No I am not always right, that would be a foolish thing to suggest. But I a more right than you on that last passage. Tell me when your ideals have caught up to mine. I am waiting. (please don't start any flame war, i want only constructive answers)

Finally this is a thread for things that piss us off. I have added you to to my original list

[Grey Fox]

hehe Dan hit that right on the head there, good post. If I was a person with power I would certainly change things and try to make things better some of my views are right-winged and it is these right-winged views that will actually change something in our society. Liberals give yobs a slap on the wrist and say don't do it again, but the point is they will do it again. Society and the hierarchy of our society need to be more rigid so that the good people on this earth have a better way of life and that the bad eggs get dealt with properly.

[Sobou]

daniel, I have nothing against you, but I just wanted to add my opinion/thoughts of what I have quoted here.


I aint getting into the Isla thing again but if you think they are a wondrerful religion, well I have nothing more to add on this ISLAM IS NOT A NATION either and it is NOT A RACE. A race is like jews etc. Christian and Islam are RELIGIONS. That is classic liberal brainwashing from TV blade I see it allll the time my friend You're right, in a sense. Islam is a religion, akin to Christianity, Buddism, ect. Race is not like Jews though. Judism/Jews are another religion. Race simply means the area of where you were born, like if one were born in Japan, their "race" would be of the Japanese. As for preferences on Islam, everyone has their beliefs, and insulting or being derogatory towards another because of what he believes in just makes you even worse. And I don't see how liberal brainwashing makes people believe that a religion is a physical country. o.O;

Once again NO it is NOT a matter of taste. To dislike VGM and to love Britney is a classic contradiction on an opinion/fact level (I dispair I really do). It annoys me that this can happen but those who do love Britney music are usually of lower level existence and or intelligence. Liking or disliking things isn't a fact, it's all about people's opinion. Yes, there are people who like video game music and not pop music. And there are people who like pop music and not video game music. But to say it's not a matter of taste is asinine. It's entirely about taste, about preference, about one's personal liking to the music or not. Yes, people who are fanboys and lovers of Britney Spears may be of a "lower level existance", but in their eyes, the video game music lovers can be part of that same level.

And on a side note: I may dislike Britney Spears in her entirety, but I find "Toxic" to be an alright song.

No offense taken either, and my dislike for certain opinions ties right in with my "wrong/bad opinion" argument. My lack of respect for opinions is only absurd opinions like the Britney one Even though you think the opinions are absurd, you've got to realize that there will always be people who like what another don't and vice versa. As long as you realize and live with the fact, as well as really not caring about it, everyone is basically fine. o_o At least that's how I see it.

I have issues? Explain if you lived here and with my life you wouldn't please? I know what is right for this world. No one, and I mean, NO ONE knows what is right for this world. Because there will ALWAYS be different opinions, different ideals and different thoughts. Example? Adolf Hitler. He thought he knew what was right for the world, or at least Europe. Others didn't.

*Sigh* </rant>

[daniel]

No one, and I mean, NO ONE knows what is right for this world. Because there will ALWAYS be different opinions, different ideals and different thoughts. Example? Adolf Hitler. He thought he knew what was right for the world, or at least Europe. Others didn't.

*Sigh* </rant>

I am destined to always disagree with this;) and that is that lol Adolf was not me. He was a lunatic with a few good ideas, and some dangerous ones. I am not.

[jetblue]

HEY!!!!!!!......I use to like Brittany Spears......when she was with Justin Timberlake but then she cheated on him and I lost all respect for her.
That poor guy. He's still heart broken to this day.
And Brittany felt remorse and tryed get back together.....
Cry me a river bitch!






When all this was happening with Brittany and Justin was about the same time my girlfriend cheated on me. I cant belive its been that long already...sigh.

[bjp4444]

Thank you for devaluing my 140 IQ and University of Michigan bachelor's in both English and History. Apparently, since I can appreciate the music of Britney Spears et al., and enjoy it for what it is, and not take it so seriously, I am now a miscreant and dolt. I must certainly be a lower form a life.

But really, I must thank you for showing me my purpose in life and what I truly am. All based on my musical tastes, you are amazing! I cannot understand how you have not gained a prominent position in some corporation or are not the thinktank of many world leaders.

Since you have figured it all out for me, I will now return my degree, quit my job, and apply to shovel horse crap at the local farm, since I am sure that is all I am capable of doing. I must also be in love with my sister, have no teeth, and have no idea on how to care for myself. Please show me how to live me life, PLEASE!

Wake up.
-bjp

[daniel]

you like britney music....I need not say anymore. what really rattles you bjp is that you find it hard to argue properly with most of my arguments and resort to silly posts.
IQ is not a good measure of intelligence or naivety either (just puzzle solving and logic)...and your liking of britney has more than sealed that:) Thanks

also you misread what I wrote didn't you? Your 140 IQ missed what I said:

I said are USUALLY a lower form of life and OR unintelligent. Key word "Usually"

"i want only constructive answers" - so what did you go and do bjp?

I will also add that usually people in/have been university have a massive naivety compared to people froma working class or rogue background. Its a different type of naivety. KInda like the one you have bjp on one of our other arguments that I will not mention

---------------By Gray Fox
"Society and the hierarchy of our society need to be more rigid so that the good people on this earth have a better way of life and that the bad eggs get dealt with properly."
-----------
Unfortunately with the naive, brainwashed and liberal people in the universities (of course that had the money to go there and so all came from easy lifes and nice backgrounds on AVERAGE) that ultimately become politicians etc....there is little hope of this.

Luckily with enough of these clones knocking about after a while the general public gets fed up or is forced to vote for someone with a more direct approach i.e. bush whether the liberals like it or not! :):):)

[bjp4444]

Thank you, sir, for correcting me. I was such an idiot. I can't understand how I ever went against your way of thinking. (Actually, I don't understand how I really ever understood anything, now that you have layed it all out for me)

All Hail Daniel!
-bjp

ps-i only use the same level of intelligence that was in the original message i'm replying to in my reply.

[daniel]

Thank you, sir, for correcting me. I was such an idiot. I can't understand how I ever went against your way of thinking. (Actually, I don't understand how I really ever understood anything, now that you have layed it all out for me)

All Hail Daniel!
-bjp

ps-i only use the same level of intelligence that was in the original message i'm replying to in my reply.

Thanks for trying to make this turn into a slanging/sarasm match but i am not in the mood for them games
and you still haven't really grown up or added a constructive argument. Also I have added to my last post too.

You got a bad rep which I think this time you deserved

[bjp4444]

well, how's this for constructive agrument? what makes that quote the gospel in regards to university studying? substantiate it with fact, or all you will get from me is sarcasm and retort, because that is all it deserves.

i have many conservative friends that went to the same university. if my education is devalued by your standards, then their is also. so, in turn, if my point of view is discredited, then so is thiers. so liberal and convservative viewpoints are invalid. or is there a double standard for them?

All Hail Daniel!
-bjp

[daniel]

still no construction to the things I wrote below.

Also bjp I know you are intelligent that is not in question (From what I have heard and seen as well as grammar wise which is prob better than mine)

However you certainly suffer from naivety and bad taste:) All hail me

There is no need for me to substantiate, that would take me a long time and many facts and "opinions". I have not the time so for now you will just have to trust that I am right

The biggest way to see it is here in britain where nearly all politicians are accused (rightly so) of not living in the real world. They certainly are not looking at the crime rate here compared to 1950

[bjp4444]

However, you still lack to back up your arguments with fact. Once you do that, I'll perhaps try to have more "constructive" argument, as you would like.

I certainly just brought up a situation that you quoted in regards to university study, yet you totally disregard it. is that because you have no answer? if so, then how can i debate with you one-sided?

I also think you suffer from naievity and bad taste.http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/wink.gif
-bjp

[daniel]

Well sadly this comes down to your opinion and my fact, and I am right. That is all you need to know :)

I added to my last post aswell. The only way I could proove to you that my polices work is putting them into practice, i.e the death penalty. This rubbish you say about not adding a constructive argument because of blah blah is just a bad excuse for having none.

EDIT hmm this sounds like i have a knife in my hand but really bjp I have no malice for you I do dislike alot of your taste and opinion though but a game music fan must be good in alot of ways.

*holds out hand*

[bjp4444]

i appreciate the hand, daniel, but you need to learn how to just not dismiss others opinions. it will get you nowhere in life, other than in the angry thoughts of others.

i did have some death penalty statistics that show that US states with the penalty have higher murder rates than those without it, but i'm sure you'll just disregard this also, as it does not agree with your way of thinking.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=12&did=168

-bjp

[daniel]

I certainly will, it is a fact that our crime rate has gone up considerably since death penalty and corporal punishment was abolished and I will nearly always express my opinions forceibly I will usually never be restricted because of other peoples angry, sadness , frustration etc....(in some cases perhaps).

I can guarentee you bjp that the lack of punishment here and I really do mean punishment, is the number 1 reason for crime. I will simply not accept any other opinion on this very real fact

The US is different to the UK and the death sentance there is a joke anyway (death row is silly), my death sentance revolves around dna evidence (which will rarely go wrong and if it does so be it the reduction in crime is worth it) and also means that execution take place as soon as possible within 24 hours. NO appeal allowed after verdict with DNA.

Death for:

Paedophiles,
rapists
Murders of the 1st degree
maybe some others


Oh and life means never get out of jail if u get it

Corporal for thugs etc...I also would station 10000 troops in afghanistan to stamp out and destroy the poppy fields and drug market (contributes 90% to the world drug supply)

My way is mean and clean and it works. Places were this treatment (as well as torture that I do not condone in most cases) it has proven a massive success! You won't dare comit a crime in some countries

[bjp4444]

well, i guess you can speak for your county, and myself for mine. it doens't seem to be working here, that's all i can say. i guess that sorta "pisses me off" (getting back to topic); the fact we have a penalty that has statistics to show is it futile, yet we continue to use it some states.

EDIT
i agree with the fact that life in prison should mean life in prison. for anyone who kills another, i think they should be locked up in a quiet, solitary cell with pictures of their victim(s) all around them to remind them that they have takes away the most important part of society, life.

(perhaps this discussion should be moved to serious topics?)
-bjp

[daniel]

Every state in the US should be governed by my rule below, or atleast tested. Also guns should be banned and those found in possession 10 years in jail, those who shoot at someone treated as if they killed them....death penalty (in cases where it was in attack, still 10 years for having one for defence).

(nah i bring closure now...this topic has been debated by me in way too many cases in multiple places and i feel too pationately about it lol. You can put it there if you want, i may add to it later)

[bjp4444]

hey, as long as we agree to disagree, then fine. i don't need to talk about it more. had enough of that with debate in high school and university.

-bjp

[silverDistortioN]

if anyone is caught committing any crime whatsoever, they should be slowly tortured until they no longer live. and i'm not talking about chinese water torture. their genitals should be run through with hot pokers, and their eyes should be gouged out. under such law, it is flagrantly obvious that crime would instantly cease to be.

anyone who thinks otherwise is a communist.

[bjp4444]

screw daniel.....all hail Silver!http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/wink.gifhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/evil_laugh.gif


-bjp

[DonQuixote]

I'm glad we can remain so civil.

[daniel]

HAHA SILVER impractical and evil but correct:) Can't we both be hailed....? Hm guess not *bows to silver* anyway I guess I better get back to the subject haha

[Yojimbo]

screw daniel.....all hail Silver!
BJP why did you have to put this in your post, Silver and Daniel were both speaking the same type of logic yet you seemed to want to support silvers case after some of your posts disagreed on the matter, i dont understand, is it "Favouratism"???

[Kilu]

http://rpgn.lintbox.net/hosting/userfiles/Kilu/jeez.jpg

[Locke Cole]

BJP why did you have to put this in your post, Silver and Daniel were both speaking the same type of logic yet you seemed to want to support silvers case after some of your posts disagreed on the matter, i dont understand, is it "Favouratism"???
No, its called ganging up on BJP, and it needs to stop. Why is it everytime a thread is reported to the admins, it contains the same few names? Do you know what pisses me off in my life? People who can't just get along, respect others no matter if they agree with them or not, and just generally help a community strive to be better. It makes me have to come out of my lurking and actually say something, and that is no fun.

Well sadly this comes down to your opinion and my fact, and I am right. That is all you need to know :)
Do I even need to say it?..... No, I don't think I do.

[Mithrandir]

This looks like a war! Can't you guys stop trying to bring back the fight?

Daniel, you are entitled to your opinion as the others are and as "absurd" you might think they are, you should know that an opinion is no more than an opinion. This isn't a fact or anything.

Or maybe you're telling me you have the absolute truth , in that case, I don't know what you're doing on these boards while you should be making money with that ability.

Anyway, I'm taking sides here with bjp not because I hate the rest of you or whatever reason you ma think, but to me, it looks like this was started by Daniel by bashing an opinion.

Let's try to argue like civilised people. Now, this ends this debate, whomever mentions it again in his post will face consequences.

And now , you can give me all the bad reputation points you want....

[Yojimbo]

no Mithrandir i believe i am allowed to speak on this discussion again, dont all you people always 'free speach'???.

i believe that i am an innocent party in this discussioin, i have been 'told off' by Locke for no reason whatsoever, exept one post stating my opinion

well i am sorry for causing any fuss and ganging up, so i will not post here until this topic has ciesed to exist and then i will return, but i dont see why i should have to go out of my way to do this.

[daniel]

I thought I had brought closure to all this? I made friends with bjp and did not carry on, I said my piece and that is all I have to say on this:) I disagreed with a lot of his opinions that was all, as well as others. I never or very rarely use nasty insults (and I try my best to keep it on a civil argument) but some people do not understand that conflicting opinions will sound "like a war" there is no other way it will sound.

Argument as I have said before is good in many ways.

"Anyway, I'm taking sides here with bjp not because I hate the rest of you or whatever reason you ma think, but to me, it looks like this was started by Daniel by bashing an opinion."

So mithrandir you should have looked further becasue it was not actually me :)

Also this all started when blade tanaka attacked MY opinion, I do not see him being told off for that but it was his right to attack my opinion and then I attacked his:)

There seems to be a misconception on these boards that any masive conflicting opinion is a bad thing. It's a good job half of ypu are not politicians.

Come on people this has gone way too far :)

[TheDragonKnight]

first, (though i may be wrong) knowing silver i would guess he wasent serious with that remark, and likewise so was bjp also being less than serious.

secondly as locke pointed out (had you read his post, which it seems you didnt) he is not refering to one specific event, but multiples, as he said he doesnt like to come out of lurking, so it would take, either repeated offences or a rather grevious one to have him come down on you.

finally, and dont feel bad, as many many people make this mistake in many places.

This board is NOT (yes i said NOT) covered in your right to free speech, your PRIVLEGE of sharing your opinions, learning form othres, and being entertained by lively debate, is governed by the rules of this board. if you dont understand why this might be the case, you may benift from reading the topic "free speech vs peace of mind" in the serious discussion section.

I realise that recently i have been making more critical posts, and since im not a mod you may think its not my palce to set you straight, however, youd be wrong. This fourm (and community) is for all of us to enjoy and it is up to all of us to help insure it remains an enjoyable place, this is alot to ask for some, it is in my experence rare for someone (including me, you can tell, i get more snarky than usual) to be able to step back from conflicting opinions, espcialy since in many cases the actions that need correcting cause negitave emotions and reactions.

different people will accomplish this different ways, i notice silver tends to be subtle about it, trying to gently nudge things back to where they should be, bjp seems to like being sarcastic (Which i find really cool, i like the sarcastic/cynical kind of humor so i get a kick out of his posts), however me, im blunt about it, ill come out and tell you lke it is, i will pull few if any punches, that is just the way i am.

[daniel]

bjp seems to like being sarcastic (Which i find really cool, i like the sarcastic/cynical kind of humor so i get a kick out of his posts),

You need to realise then that this causes flame wars. Sarcasm is an awful way to respond to somebodies post and the fact that you geta kick out of it annoys me. You can openly say that without being frowned upon...well thats pretty bad. Cynical and sarcastic posts casue trouble , luckily I think this time I managed to keep my cool and made friends:):)

You see this is back to me vs you again but we have been here before and I have seen the way it goes. If this is true about not having the right to sharing opinions or arguing them dragon then we might as well just sit in the boards like dummies because game music etc is all about opinions and taste (bad opinions and bad taste included)

I refuse to post on this again because its going nowhere *looks at bjp who is running as far away from this topic as possible* lol ;) I think I will join him:)

[bjp4444]

No, I wasn't running away. I just went to bed and slept in.

Yes, I am sarcastic. That's just the way I am. My post in response to silver(which I also though was a bit sarcastic, I could have guessed wrong) was so, also. Yojimbo, I have no favorites, I agree with what I agree with, no matter who's saying it.

And I don't mind conflicting opinion. It's when the other opinion won't even recoginize that they might even be the slightest bit off or wrong, that's when I get annoyed. I have never claimed once that my thinking is the way to go. I merely start by trying to to show my point of view. If we could get past that point, then perhaps we could have an intelligent discussion about something. But everytime I try to chink away at something, or try to point out a flaw, I get "you are wrong, my way is right", which it turn, of course, causes me to get even MORE sarcastic. Perhaps one needs to notice WHY I'm being sarcastic about something.

-bjp

[jetblue]

And another thing!!!!!........ some of you dont realize but Brittany and Justin were a couple since they met on the mickey mouse club as kids. It was love at first sight. They were virgin lovers. And they wanted to marry.
It was'nt a publicity stunt like others thought.
Justin was so heart broken that he turned to Alyssa Milano and Janet Jackson after the breakup. Who I tellyou,goes to them unless your a suffering mass of heartache. C'mon Alyssa milano,ewwww.
Thats why Janet let Justin expose her boob on that superbowl show. She would'nt let any one else do it.
And we all know what Brittany did after the break up.

[daniel]

Well had to quickly add. BJP I meant by running away as in through sense but yeah I made a pigs ear of that and it sounded bad. Sorry:)

Jetblue, Britney I am afraid is a number 1 slut/bimbo/braindead and you should not believe at all that she was a virgin past age 14;)

[bjp4444]

but, you must admit, jetblue's post was a great turning point. from out of nowhere. i loved it!

-bjp

[daniel]

we need someone to come back and say that they have a pet hate like people that spit.....quite a contrast to the massive argument we have had on here ey;)

I do actually dislike spitting funnily enough, especially by football players (soccer)

[Yojimbo]

well i spit when playing football, but not at other players thats wrong. and i agree about the statement about Britney, but i wouldnt say no if she offered herself on a plate to me.

[Sobou]

Jetblue, Britney I am afraid is a number 1 slut/bimbo/braindead and you should not believe at all that she was a virgin past age 14;)
Just a random thought, but I didn't realize that Brittney Spears was more of a "slut/bimbo/braindead" than female porno stars. o_O

[Yojimbo]

daniel said 'a' number 1 blah blah Sobou, meaning she is up there at the top and she is not 'the' number 1

[Sobou]

Yojimbo, I never stated that I said that daniel said that Brittney Spears was "the" number 1 slut/bimbo/braindead w/e person. I just stated that I thought that he put her as high as female porno stars when she hasn't even released a porno vid yet. o_O;

[Yojimbo]

she neednt realise a porno, it is clear to see what she gets up to in her own time, she may as well be a porn star, i mean come on check out her music video's im surprised that stuff is legal, dancing around like an absolute tart, god knows what parts of her body she would show if she was allowed, all of it im guessing and more

[Sobou]

If it's just what women reveal inside music videos, then it isn't just Spears that is acting like a total tramp. Watch just about any music video that's been released in the last year or so that's by a female music star, or a rap star that has a lot of women in their videos.

That's something that pisses me off alot: Using sex and sex-like things to advertise and gain popularity, ect.

[daniel]

If it's just what women reveal inside music videos, then it isn't just Spears that is acting like a total tramp. Watch just about any music video that's been released in the last year or so that's by a female music star, or a rap star that has a lot of women in their videos.

That's something that pisses me off alot: Using sex and sex-like things to advertise and gain popularity, ect.

It would not matter to me if it did not work, but unfortunately it does in todays age especially. I find it astonishing that this government can ask "why have we got so many teenage pregnancies" whilst allowing this stuff (in britain) on early morning kids TV

Its bad and it should be stopped. I still wonder why parents are allowing it to be honest. British people have a syndrome unfortunately to take any shit and do nothing until they have to.

As you can see I am very opinionated and furious about a good number of things ...I don't know why I turn on the news, its just torturing myself in effect

[jetblue]

I get a bad feeling that Britney is pegnant with Justins baby. I pray to the gods that he did'nt weaken and did a one nighter with her.

[Yojimbo]

yes, all these daft singers potraying thier body just leads to teenagers dressing like tarts, there was recently a string of rape attacks in my town, and i thought to myself when i saw a teen girl walking towards the woods dressed in barely a skirt and bra "is it any wonder you are being raped you daft, stupid sluts"

i mean what is it all for, she was walking nowhere dressed in nothing, and her face was obviously caked in make-up, they are as daft as 2 short planks and for the way they act around guys, they deserve everything that fire's thier way.

and Sobou, i know it is not just Britney and that is the very thing that i am trying to show, most girls apart from the sensible few are exactly the same, just like dear old Britney.

[Sobou]

I totally agree, Yojimbo. It's entiretly the female's fault if she gets raped because she looks like she belongs in an exotic nighclub. They're attracting way too much attention for their own good, and the influences that the media has on them doesn't help at all.

[TheDragonKnight]

hmm alright a closing point, since it seems i was misundrestood. nothing is stopping anyone from sharing their views and opinions here, nor will anyone be prevented from having a nice rousing debate, my point was, that you cant bitch to a fourm mod about your free speech, you are on a private board, its not government regulated, if you piss of the user base, or the admins, you may be banned, your right to free speech is indeed valid but you must understand that this board is provided by the owner/admin, HE makes the rules, noone else.

while this baord may aid you in excersizing your right to free speech, the use of the baord is a privelige not a right, this small but significan difference escapes alot of people (including me for my frist couple of years online)

to be on topic, again, and (i swear) totaly unrelated (honest) my pet peeve is when people have somethign explained to them in great detail, usualy repeatedly, and frequesnt by many people, btut still seem upable to graps the point of what ever is trying to be communicacted. I am an Admin as well as teh lack leader for a gaming clan, (both game server and forums) and i have to say i see it ALOT more often, soemtimes i seriosuly wonder where some people find the intelligence to get online to plauge us.

Example, the Clan has a minimal age of 16 to join, i posted this is the forst post of our recruiting thread, infact all the info you need to apply is in that first post, (and by teh way about 1 in 5 people read that post) so this noob first posts to the forums, he obviously hasent read it (he admitted to not understanding it since english isnt his first language, so ok cut him some slack) then he gets to hes only 14.a member notices this before i do and he (helpfully apoligizes and informs the kid hes too young to join.

he informs the member that hes sure age isnt an issue, so he repates himself and claism hes going to contact me on MSN, i see the post i reiterate, no you cant join, your too young, yes, your age is the issue. (so hes been told three times now) then the next day he says he got his dad to tell him what the first posts said spceificly, he PM's me on MSN and asks again, over and over! i told him at least 4 times on MSN!

"so im too young" "yes" so i ca i join?" "no" "age is the issue?" "yes"

i mean ok not first language english and only 14, so lously english, but hes forming the questions, and "yes" and "no" are hadly hard words to laern, i mean i can say yes or no in about 5 diffeent languages, err no wait less i forgot how to say it in klingon.

<edit people posted while i ranted>

i would ahve to dissagree, ideal a woman should be able to walk the streets naked and not get rapped, regradless of waht tehy look like getting raped is never teh females fault. a rape is an assult, an agressive act, this requires non-consent (oterwise its just rough sex) jsut becasue our world isnt perfect doesnt mean you should start blaming the worng people, by your logic its a banks fault for getting robbed becaseu it has money, obvously that is incorrect teh guilty party is at fault not the victim.

[Yojimbo]

i would ahve to dissagree, ideal a woman should be able to walk the streets naked and not get rapped
if she was to walk around with no clothes then clothes would probably not been invented and we would still be like monkeys correct? if that was the case then rape would be legal because we and the women wouldnt know otherwise, but seen as how we have mentally developed to know the actions we are taking women in the present have changed and therefore know they are dressing like tarts and it makes it there own fault. if they were not to wear any make-up etc then they wouldnt be raped 99% of the time, most victims of rape are blond/brunette, sexy girls, and not big fat gingers.

[bjp4444]

a couple questions/ points of clarification:

one:
if they were not to wear any make-up etc then they wouldnt be raped 99% of the time, most victims of rape are blond/brunette, sexy girls, and not big fat gingers.
please show statistical proof of this. i'm highly doubtful that 99% of women who provactive clothing are rpaed every time they do so.

two:
but seen as how we have mentally developed to know the actions we are taking women in the present have changed and therefore know they are dressing like tarts and it makes it there own fault.

is this based on the premise that this is what sexually excites the rapist? if so, let me pose this example. (all this hypothetical)

a: i find slightly overwieght girls who wear glasses and green wool sweaters and blue jeans sexually exciting.

b: i see a slightly overwieght woman wearing glasses and a green wool sweater.

am i allowed to rape her then? i mean she had it coming, it was HER fault, right? How could she dress that way, knowing it would get me off?

please clarify your statement.

-bjp

[Yojimbo]

be literal about this bjp, who is more likely to be raped, a sexy blonde wondering the back alleys in the early morning, or a fat ginger beef sat in her house reading diet books because she has no friends, is that fact enough, or do you think a rapist will break entry to get to her????

take things more literally, and being a liberal gets you nowhere.

[bjp4444]

_Patterns of Behavior in Adolescent Rape_ by Vinogradov et al. in the
American Journal of Orthopsychiatry 58(2) April 1988 pp 179-87:

71% of the rapists were under the influence of drugs (inc. alcohol).
15% reported taking drugs less than 15 minutes prior to the rape.
21% premeditated the rape.
27% committed the rape while committing another crime.
16% were impulsive/spontaneous, "the victim was simply an easy
available 'innocent bystander'".
7% were committed after an argument with the victim.
6% after sexual foreplay with the victim.

89% of the rapists described the victims as not being provocative,
"The victims did not verbally provoke nor were sexually
attractive to the attacker". i've read just as many stories about people being raped in their houses as in the street. actually, in the united states, 77% percent of rapes are committed by someone who knows the victim (Bureau of Justice Statistics 1997). In those instances, i would guess that they took place in the home, and not in the alley;also, I'd guess they really don't care what their wearing.

Rape is a problem regardless of how someone is dressed. In most cases, the rapist is sick (mentally), adn is going to find what they want. Rape is a crime of violence and power, not sex. If it was all about sexually attraction, then why are young children and old people raped also? (I have talked to people who work at rape counseling centres who can confirm the ages.)

stop calling me a liberal, i am not. and being a conservative will get you as far as being a liberal will.

-bjp

[daniel]

It is still obvious that to somebody who is not insane a girl who is attractive and deliberately looking like a whore is more likley to be raped.

More likely certainly , gang rapes have happened where teenagers go after girls and touvh them up etc, these ppl are indeed sane but do it for pleasure.

Many different factors here but more likely

Definately

[Grey Fox]

Well it looks like BJP doesn't seem to realise that women who go out 'knowingly' looking tartish are 'more' prone to rape then the every day norm, and this is common sense and not hypothetical. If u would have read through Daniels post properly u should have known this. U are good at changing the words around so that it makes a different side to the argument. For example

Daniels quote:
‘ even though it is obvious if they were not to wear any make-up etc then they wouldn’t be raped 99% of the time, most victims of rape are blond/brunette, sexy girls, and not big fat gingers.

BJP’s reply:
please show statistical proof of this. I’m highly doubtful that 99% of women who provactive clothing are raped every time they do so.

As everyone can see he does not mean 99%, he means the majority of women who provactive clothing are more likely to be raped compared to the social norm. He is just emphasising the fact that the sexual prowess of men, will look towards women who look good and sluttish (I apologise to the liberals for the word ’sluttish’ used)

Because it is clear to me like u BJP and so many men like women with less cloths on because it promotes sex. Check out ur pick on ‘who am eye’ for example
‘Sobou:
http://img51.exs.cx/img51/9650/bjp8do.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)


Very good! I have put original in colour so all it's glory can be seen:
my lord, what a dreamboat!’

Why would u like this girl BJP? Does she look hot to u, do u think that this particular female is more prone to rape?…I do.

So it looks like that he even knows that Daniel’s opinion is fact and he is arguing for the sake of arguing and that he is hypocritical which I have shown.

And BJP there have been statistical tests to prove this, one that I have used in the past for psychology is the sociobiological theory, which has been statistically proven by using the chi-squared method. But if u don’t take my word for it like I know u won’t then see the works on Dunbar and his studies of this.

[daniel]

well it was yojimbo's quote, i am keeping a relatively low profile on this one:)

[bjp4444]

daniel, i could say the same thing to you that you said to me before" read the post before you reply" (i'm not gonna give out negative pub, though). I just showed you statics that say that 89% of rapists don't find their victims attractive. how does that translate into "attractive women are more likely to be raped"???? unless rapists don't find what you deem attractive the same.

in regards to grey fox, i chose that picture, becasue yes, i find her attractive. that doesn't mean i'm going to rape her.

SHOW STATISTICS!!!!!

-bjp

[daniel]

no i did read bjp but you do not understand what i and prob yojimbo mean. More likely to get raped. They certainly are more likely to especially by a sane person. if 89% don't find the ones they rape attractive what are the other 11% doing?

In any case I am not arguing this one:)

[bjp4444]

well, wouldn't that prove my point? 89 is bigger that 11.

-bjp

[Yojimbo]

you should stop twisting things around now bjp, you always do it and it gets people adjitated and causes roofless wars between two parties, that is why we are having this strong arguiment right now.

i dont want to seem like i am being an idiot here, but its my opinion and ill keep it, lets move on

[daniel]

well, wouldn't that prove my point? 89 is bigger that 11.

-bjp

NO it would NOT becasue the 89% of rapists who do not care about attractiveness will STILL go for the girls who are attractive you see...and the other 11% WILL so the ones that go for either girls will be luck which of the girls get raped (so we can say 50% to each) and the ones that do will go for a fit girl (almost 100% to the ones that look attractive)

So my statement is fully valid

[bjp4444]

i have not twisted one thing around. please give me an example of twisting things around.

-bjp

[DonQuixote]

You guys really go off the handle sometimes. Leaves me to wonder what the next topic will be. Abortion or maybe capital punishment.

[daniel]

abortion made illegal. captial punishent reinstated is the right way:) anyway I am leaving this before it gets like the other

[Yojimbo]

thank you DonQuixote, a new topic alas, oh and bjp read my last post again, i edited. abortion should be made illigal, its the womans daft fault, men dont give two shits if they get a girl up the duff so therefore its the womans responsibility, and then you see these teen girls having an abortion saying "i only did it once", well once is all it takes numbskull, use contreception in future (except for those who get pregnant from being raped, but lets not go there again), im pretty sure most girls who have had an abortion are most likely to have another before they want to keep a child.

[bjp4444]

NO it would NOT becasue the 89% of rapists who do not care about attractiveness will STILL go for the girls who are attractive you see...
this does not make sense. daniel, i'm not trying to be mean, but this staement contridicts itself.

EDIT
abortion should be illegal except for instances of rape, incest and when the life of the mother is in danger.

[daniel]

this does not make sense. daniel, i'm not trying to be mean, but this staement contridicts itself.


they will. they will go for each half and half as they DO NOT care about attractiveness.

Look at my full explanation it is very clear that those who look attarctive are more likely to get raped

The other 11% are biased so WILL go for attractiveness thus

on average the attractive ones will be raped more often.

EDIT:I reckon abortion illegal in all cases really but I can accept anything other than our current laws

[Yojimbo]

ok i dont want to but i will get back to this topic of rape. tell me bjp who would YOU rather rape if you were to do so, sexy babe or slob beast??? i know i would choose sexy beast how bout everyone else, who would you choose guys???

NO STATS, JUST A SIMPLE ANSWER

[bjp4444]

there's no proof that it is half and half. the statistic i brought up was of conivcted rapists. 89% of them claimed they did not find thier victim attractive. That does not equal 50/50. That equals 89/11. That's a big difference. You just can't postulate your own opinion when the facts claim otherwise.

EDIT
I wouldn't want rape anyone. But of those who have, most (77%)have been someone they know, regardless of how they look. Again, Rape is a crime of power and violence, not sex. Again, if it was all about attractiveness, then why have children and older people been raped?

-bjp

[daniel]

there's no proof that it is half and half. the statistic i brought up was of conivcted rapists. 89% of them claimed they did not find thier victim attractive. That does not equal 50/50. That equals 89/11. That's a big difference. You just can't postulate your own opinion when the facts claim otherwise.

-bjp

were they telling the truth if they were insane? How did they know that the girls were attractive or not? maybe all of them appear unattravtive.

I a afraid these statistics do not hold up 1 iota :nana: ;)

[Yojimbo]

indeed, a drugged up idiot doesnt have the slightest clue what his/her victim looks like in the heat of the moment so i will also put in this smileyhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/nana.gif

[bjp4444]

I a afraid these statistics do not hold up 1 iota :nana: ;) you can take that up with the doctor of Orthopsychiatry who conducted the study. all i know is that he's actually done research, and you haven't.

Indeed, a drugged up idiot doesnt have the slightest clue what his/her victim looks like in the heat of the moment so i will also put in this smiley:nana: i wasn't aware that every rape was perpetuated by a drugged up idiot. but then, i'm sure i'll get no statistics to back that up also.

-bjp (be back in a while, going to get ice cream.)

[daniel]

is the dear doc a rapist;)? maybe

is the doc god? nope

is the doc right....i doubt it

is the doc a good source? NO way! especially not for britain:) statistics are usually flawed too theres a famous saying soewhere but enough statistics from lots of sources are good. 1 guys study is bad. (especially with evil probably lying rapists)

[Yojimbo]

life doesnt depend on stats bjp, it is up to one's self thought thats all that matters, and if you think about it, one's self thought will think an attractive girl would be a better victim, like i said before but you didnt answer

tell me bjp who would YOU rather rape if you were to do so, sexy babe or slob beast???

[Locke Cole]

You need to realise then that this causes flame wars. Sarcasm is an awful way to respond to somebodies post and the fact that you geta kick out of it annoys me. You can openly say that without being frowned upon...well thats pretty bad. Cynical and sarcastic posts casue trouble , luckily I think this time I managed to keep my cool and made friends:):)
You know, as long as you don't take everything so seriously, its not really a problem. Sarcasm use to be a heavy part of the RPGN community, and it was enjoyed, it certainly did not cause flame wars in the past. I speak from expierence, not just my opinion.

I haven't bothered to read the entire thread yet, I'm just browsing as I don't have time to keep up with these debates, but I just thought I'd point out that its healthy to have a little sarcasm in the discussion.

[Blade Tanaka]

Finally this is a thread for things that piss us off. I have added you to to my original list
Really? That's neat... Well I've still some comments an that post but I'll leave that for another time or on MSN.... And I'll get back to this thread when I've caught up with all the Rape and Abortion stuff... ^o^

[daniel]

Don't take that very seriously...but your comments did piss me off haha (then again I did the same to others i suppose)

I appologise for saying that particular thing...but not the rest of that post i don't think;) have done better recently to keep it more civil. Still I do get angry

[silverDistortioN]

here are my opinions on today's... "debate."

1) i think women would benefit from not dressing like hoochies.
2) there's a subtle difference between "i'd do her" and "i'd do her whether she likes it or not."

anyway... i hate it when people drive 10mph in the left lane. (that's the right lane for our british and australian folks!)

[Firefly]

Yojimbo. Daniel.

Rape isn't about "WHO U WUD WANT TO DO MORE LOLZ." At ALL.

We obviously don't live in the same world that you do, so why don't you check up on the facts that correlate to this one. By the way, what color is the sky in your world?

BJP has presented solid evidence that rape has nothing to do with the attractiveness of the victim. And yet you still continue to argue based only on personal opinion rather than fact. Your replies imply to me that you yourselves have thought enough about raping attractive women to the point where you formulated an opinion of the truth based solely on that desire.

I weep for the future.

[daniel]

Firefly you have not understood a word I said EDIT: and what you just said is saying that I have fantasised raping someone in effect and that is outrageous.

What I have said is that someone wearing basically nothing is at greater risk and I am sorry if you do not agree with this obvious ...no, ultra obvious fact

[Firefly]

That's so ironic.

Care to elaborate, or are you just mad that I have more logic and coherency than you?

[Firefly]

As silver said,


2) there's a subtle difference between "i'd do her" and "i'd do her whether she likes it or not."

You might want to think about that for a while.

What you are saying is "Women who wear provocative clothes get raped more often." Which you have not backed up with any facts whatsoever, claiming only "common sense" as your source.

But, RAPE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE VICTIM'S ATTRACTIVENESS. RAPE IS NOT ABOUT SEX, IT IS AN ACT OF AGGRESSION AND POWER.

Whether this flies in the face of your version of common sense or not is irrelevant. If you want to make an effective argument, you must quote sources based on FACT and not merely your OPINION of the way you think things should be.

[daniel]

You still did not understand the very simple message "someone looking like a slut will on average be more lilkely to be raped" then

It is I that despair, of that absolute lack of logic.

Lets get real firefly and get some logic here

EDIT: statistics from 1 source proove nothing but studies (and extensive ones) do. Grey fox disagrees with you and he has studied this. But I am working on logic, on what I see around me and what is blatantly obvious.

Grey fox and studies do not, they work on lots of tings but I have no time for trying to proove something of the obvious.

[Firefly]

You still did not understand the very simple message "someone looking like a slut will on average be more lilkely to be raped" then

It is I that despair, of that absolute lack of logic.

Lets get real firefly and get some logic here You're talking logic when you're not backing up your statements with anything besides your personal opinion?

[daniel]

You're talking logic when you're not backing up your statements with anything besides your personal opinion?

Sadly my opinion in this particular case is totally of logic because every sane person would rather rape a beautiful person or slut than an ordinary ugly one.

This is so self evident.

EDIT: My logic fails to see how you can not believe this to be true...it so obviously is (maybe not TOTALLY to a nutter but to an ordinary person who rapes someone...definately)

[Firefly]

I doubt that any sane person (or rather, anyone in a sane state of mind) would rape, period.

[daniel]

I doubt that any sane person would rape, period.

That is absurd. Full stop.

Edit: Lots of people rape, many reasons. But I am afraid with all things, a person can just be a little bastard who needs putting out of his misery
---------
"(or rather, anyone in a sane state of mind) "

This added piece is still wrong. Sae as above.

And state of mind is an illusion. Nobody can define that definately. That again is hard to define. In the end though, a person who knows what he is doing is wrong and does it with his own self in control is "sane" and sadly lots are like that that commit allll kinds of crimes

[Firefly]

Your reasoning is absurd.

OBVIOUSLY someone dressed sluttily will get more attention than someone who's frumpy.

The problem is that you are claiming that "OMG THEY WILL GET RAPED MORE OFTEN" without backing it up with ANYTHING.

[bjp4444]

why? (in response to daniel) couldn't your sense and my sense of beautiful be different? our idea of a slut could be totally different also, couldn't it?

-bjp

[daniel]

Your reasoning is absurd.

OBVIOUSLY someone dressed sluttily will get more attention than someone who's frumpy.

The problem is that you are claiming that "OMG THEY WILL GET RAPED MORE OFTEN" without backing it up with ANYTHING.

You do not understand. The statement I made is so logical it reqires no backup at all. It is so obvious to the sane rapist as it is to me and probably most others who have good logic


EDIT: why? (in response to daniel) couldn't your sense and my sense of beautiful be different? our idea of a slut could be totally different also, couldn't it?

sure could but there is a line drawn everywhere with a debris field in between. I call this "The line is drawn" theory. And I just drew it:)

EDIT2: doesn't "attention" mean exactly what I have said will happen. You get attention by the wrong people and you know what happens.

[silverDistortioN]

let me offer a situation. i want those who support daniel's argument (including, but not limited to, daniel) to tell me why it shouldn't be considered comparable to a sexy rape victim (because i have a feeling it may be exaggerated).

now, suppose there may be gunmen who shoot people on the street. also, suppose there is a person who likes to wear a shirt with a big, red target painted on it. rational people would obviously have a greater tendency to shoot people with targets painted on their chests than those without targets painted on their chests. so obviously, this person would have a greater chance of being shot than a non-targetshirt person. therefore, it would follow that when people with target shirts get shot, it is their own fault.

hmm?

[daniel]

let me offer a situation. i want those who support daniel's argument (including, but not limited to, daniel) to tell me why it shouldn't be considered comparable to a sexy rape victim (because i have a feeling it may be exaggerated).

now, suppose there may be gunmen who shoot people on the street. also, suppose there is a person who likes to wear a shirt with a big, red target painted on it. rational people would obviously have a greater tendency to shoot people with targets painted on their chests than those without targets painted on their chests. so obviously, this person would have a greater chance of being shot than a non-targetshirt person. therefore, it would follow that when people with target shirts get shot, it is their own fault.

hmm?

Absurd. Wouldn't wear targets. Wouldn't be their fault either that an idiot was on the streets killing folk, and i doubt what the person wore in this case, would really matter. It is true that it may have an effect on who the gunman goes for first but it has little elevance here.

A "sane" rapist is purely out for lust or sex, and so what a girl wears is a UCH LARGER factor

[Firefly]

You do not understand. The statement I made is so logical it reqires no backup at all. It is so obvious to the sane rapist as it is to me and probably most others who have good logic
No, I do understand. I just blatantly disagree that it is "so logical it requires no backup at all."

It's probably obvious to YOU that you would rather sex up a hottie rather than an ugly.

But you can never make such a sweeping claim that "most rapists raped attractive slutty people", unless you can get into the mind of 100% of rapists and figure out the exact reasons for doing what they did. That conclusion may seem obvious to YOU, but you have no idea if it's the truth or not.

And, as BJP says, "attractiveness"/"sluttiness" is completely subjective.


EDIT2: doesn't "attention" mean exactly what I have said will happen. You get attention by the wrong people and you know what happens.
"Attention" means "attention," not rape. By attention I mean people turn their heads to look, etc.

[daniel]

when did i use the word most my friend:) My argument has been they are more likely than non sluts that was all.

What you just wrote was again void of logic. Attention like a slut can only aquire bad attention in nearly all circumstancies. You MUST understand that logic...or do you disagree again?

[silverDistortioN]

Wouldn't wear targets. Wouldn't be their fault either that an idiot was on the streets killing folk, and i doubt what the person wore in this case, would really matter.1) the target shirt is the supposition. but it is surely a reasonable supposition because me talking about this makes me want to wear shirts with big, red targets painted on them.

2) "it wouldn't be their fault either that an idiot was on the streets killing folk." - would it not also be true that it wouldn't be a rape victim's fault that there's an idiot out there willing to rape women?

[daniel]

2) "it wouldn't be their fault either that an idiot was on the streets killing folk." - would it not also be true that it wouldn't be a rape victim's fault that there's an idiot out there willing to rape women?[/QUOTE]

NO. The targets thing is just silly and is based purely on the notion that the gunner really does go for the target person..which is debatable. a "sane" rapist will certainly for for a "hottie" more on average. PLUS a slut chooses to look like that becasue she is void of shame and or morals...that is why lame lies with her alot more. It lands with the rapist more and even society at large. I forsee the day when this ends in many of our countries (actually totally unrelated I forsee the human race not lasting another 100 years based on logic)

EDIT: this argument is silly, i am so amused that the original statement I made that on average sluts will be raped more than non sluts can be dismissed. It just cannot and if it does logic is illogical which it is not in this case (and all cases in our logical world)

[Firefly]

Absurd. Wouldn't wear targets. Wouldn't be their fault either that an idiot was on the streets killing folk, and i doubt what the person wore in this case, would really matter. It is true that it may have an effect on who the gunman goes for first but it has little elevance here.
You just disproved your own point.


A "sane" rapist is purely out for lust or sex, and so what a girl wears is a UCH LARGER factor Please define a "'sane' rapist".

[daniel]

You just disproved your own point.

Please define a "'sane' rapist".


I already did you did not pay attention. look for my definition

This lack of logic is more astounding than my arrogance

[silverDistortioN]

NO. The targets thing is just silly and is based purely on the notion that the gunner really does go for the target person..which is debatable. a "sane" rapist will certainly for for a "hottie" more on average.i don't quite understand how it's any less debatable than the hottie theory...

EDIT: this argument is silly, i am so amused that the original statement I made that on average sluts will be raped more than non sluts can be dismissed. It just cannot and if it does logic is illogical which it is not in this caseactually, i'm mostly arguing against someone else's sentiment... not sure whose. it was something like, "if women want to dress in skimpy outfits, it's their own fault when they get raped."

[daniel]

i don't quite understand how it's any less debatable than the hottie theory...

actually, i'm mostly arguing against someone else's sentiment... not sure whose. it was something like, "if women want to dress in skimpy outfits, it's their own fault when they get raped."


well it was not mine but I agree with it in certain circumstances. Obviously on the whole alot will be just innocent victims.

And you should also know bjp that most rape victims are raped by their partners or ex partners who are usually very sane people:) (that is a recognised nationwide study here in britain I will add, aired many times in many places and in many newspapers as the accepted fact)

[TheDragonKnight]

daniel, i suggest you go read the opinion vs fact thread, i unfourtnatly doubt it wil do any good, but it has the reson why, anyone (in this reality) needs facts to back up an opinion if they wish to be taken seriously, espicaly in your case as you have no endeared your self to many (the women on this board will forever hate you now) most will be less inclined to take your opinion as anything but, to suppourta claim you REQUIRE facts.

[daniel]

daniel, i suggest you go read the opinion vs fact thread, i unfourtnatly doubt it wil do any good, but it has the reson why, anyone (in this reality) needs facts to back up an opinion if they wish to be taken seriously, espicaly in your case as you have no endeared your self to many (the women on this board will forever hate you now) most will be less inclined to take your opinion as anything but, to suppourta claim you REQUIRE facts.

That is just tough but IF THEY ARE sluts then they can be angry allll they want. And if we worried about prooving everything 100% well we are heading nowhere.

Some one here would argue "until the cows come home" than 1 plus 1 is not 2.

Damn man this voidness of logic is really amazing

Only god could be as arrogant as me and say what I have without being questioned. But believe me he would probably agree with me on many of this. Thats my opinion

[bjp4444]

And you should also know bjp that ost rape victims are raped by their partners or ex partners who are usually very sane people:) well, i already brought that up in my statistics. but, on average, i'm guessing most of those victims are sluts also? or were dressed sluttily? because if not, how can

the original statement I made that on average sluts will be raped more than non sluts
that be true?

-bjp

[Firefly]

"Sane rapists" do not exist save in your own head, for the purpose of satisfying your viewpoint. Unfortunately, you have not provided me with enough real-world examples to give it any more validity than that. (By the way, I am not saying that all rapists are insane.)

Daniel's ignorance forces me to withdraw from this argument, as obviously he is not giving my words any thought whatsoever.

I see no logic in this argument, only opinions of how one thinks the world should work passed off as fact.

[TheDragonKnight]

Damn man this voidness of logic is really amazing

Funny i was thinking teh same thing, but was trying (very hard i might add) to aviod being that critical (yet)

[daniel]

Ahh because...of what I said ages ago...regarding the use of statistics in this case and also the fact that a slut will be raped ore by a sane rapist compared to a non slut.

Have you people never seen programmes on sluts being attacked home and abroad in clubs and what was our warning in this country?

It warned women to wear jeans. I wonder why?

[bjp4444]

Have you people never seen programmes on sluts being attacked home and abroad in clubs and what was our warning in this country?
umm, no i haven't. could use send me copy to watch? or let me know when to check it out. could i get it in BBC America?

-bjp

[daniel]

"Sane rapists" do not exist save in your own head, for the purpose of satisfying your viewpoint. Unfortunately, you have not provided me with enough real-world examples to give it any more validity than that. (By the way, I am not saying that all rapists are insane.)

Daniel's ignorance forces me to withdraw from this argument, as obviously he is not giving my words any thought whatsoever.

I see no logic in this argument, only opinions of how one thinks the world should work passed off as fact.

Your whole discussion from beginning to end has been void of logic, I have never met somebody who would argue with me on this obvious fact...I really cannot understand it. Perhaps in aerica it is a totally different world, but i suspect it is that you failed to understand a word of what I wrote.

and logic suggests you will be back:)

[daniel]

umm, no i haven't. could use send me copy to watch? or let me know when to check it out. could i get it in BBC America?

-bjp

I doubt it but go online look up the BBC website yu may find it somewhere. If I come across that warning again I will forward it to you. BUt I kid you not women were advised to wear jeans in the past.

EDIT: also I reember a very valid fact for nightclub goers that were groped alot in spain "If they dress like sluts then they should be expected to be treated as such" - thats groped firefly. not raped (though I think it extends in a way to the rape by sane rapist argument)

Looks also like I am fighting a small army here but with logic on my side I cannot lose you know. Now proove e right on something else, instead of arguing click those rep buttons and send pleas to locke cole to come and get me for my opinion like before (well dunno who but some ppl do it)

[TheDragonKnight]

Daniel unfourtnately the only different world is the one you live in, if you share your opinion on rape with the people you meet in real life, we shall at least have the comfort of knowing you shall never reporduce.

all of your so called logic and opinions are not obvious, the reson they arent is becasue you are INCORRECT!

you have provided no facts, at all, and ignored the facts provided for you.

Logic means jusstifying your statment with other accpted facts you have done none of this either.

simply saying im right and your worng, doesnt count, your OPINION, is not a fact, and can not be used to suppourt other so called facts, you are making NO friends here (i dare say firefly hates your guys by now)

someones political leanings have no basis on anything here, and attempting to refute their arguments by bringing it up only makes you look foolish.

the only points in this discussion void of logic are yours, if you continue ot provide no facts while making outragous claims you will continue to be ridicluled, or prehaps outright ignored, your continueing ignorance on some of the most basic facts of forum posting will continue to keep you in low esteem on this baord.

<edit: you heard him folks, let your rep speak for you! he wants us to rate him! well i wasent going to but if he insists>

[daniel]

all of your so called logic and opinions are not obvious, the reson they arent is becasue you are INCORRECT!

.

If you believe that you need immediate logic injection

1 statistic from 1 source is not fact don't you get that

Do you really think I care dragon. I know I am right on this and many other things. I cannot explain to you or proove it to you, but you will just have to be angry I am not at this minute. I am just sad that 4 of you or maybe more cannot see what is soooo obviously correct

does 1+1=2 dragon?...what it equals 5? yeah I kinda figured you would say that

So far only grey fox and Yojimbo see it my way....and they are both from britain which makes me suspicious

[TheDragonKnight]

when the scource is a journal of medicine, yes one soure does indeed count, though i will conceide that the number are likely to vary from study to study, i doubt very much they would vary significanly enough to alter the conclusions drawn from them.

[daniel]

when the scource is a journal of medicine, yes one soure does indeed count, though i will conceide that the number are likely to vary from study to study, i doubt very much they would vary significanly enough to alter the conclusions drawn from them.

nah not proof and not as obvious as my statement is/was

I would hate to see your 2 times table. Good job you are not a rocket scientist the rocket would not get off the ground.
Thats all I have for this discussion it has reached that point. Hopefuly soeone else will add something later that I will respond to, here it is 5:17 a.m and logic says that staying awake to excessive times is bad for my health.

Lets have a debate on it. (theres my sarcasm people)

Night:)

[TheDragonKnight]

well heres a FACT for you, in your last post you provided no logic but did

1. persoanly attack me, and attempt to use that to invalidate my agrument.

Regardless of weather i can multiply by 2 or not, does not change the FACT that a respected medical journal published those numbers bjp provided.


2. once gain provided no facts to back up your own opinions simply stated that they are obviously coerct, and continue to imply the rest of us are stupid for not agreeing with you.

This is not the way you hold a ddebate, this IS a good way however of proving that your opinoins should NEVER be accepted without facts to back them up, since after eight pages, one can only assume your thought process is flawed.

you are clrealy proficent in the use of the english language so aside from my previous opinion i am at a loss to explain your inability to grasp the single most important factor in a debate. The need for facts.

[daniel]

The need for facts.

Disagree. Debate does not need facts always just common sense.

I could get you the "facts" on rape and proove that those who are slutty are more prone to rape but of course it would be statistical (if a study has even been done.). However I would, in the end, nethertheless be prooved correct. I just cannot be bothered.

Oh and I did not call you stupid, I said and demonstrated a lack of logic. 1+1=5 is a demonstration of that NOT an implication of stupidity. Noone on this website is stupid from what I have seen. The rocket was too.

Naive, arrogant, foolish, illogical, oppinionated, angry, biased and many other forms I have seen though of which some I am too but stupid.....NOPE.:) Now I really must go to bed:)

[TheDragonKnight]

Define common sence, no wait, i forgot you cant be bothered to spend any time validating your postions or geting suppourting facts, so ill do it for you.

commen sence, is in fact not comment, it is simply a set of precepts that is generaly acceted by most (ie, what side of teh road to drive on, and in fact his is a prefect example since, like "common" sense it an vary depending on who you are.)

you claim to be using commen sense, however it should be appearent the responces you have gotten that that is not the case, if you wish your views to beceome common sense the nyou must CONVINCE us you are correct, insulting us will not accomplish that, you will need FACTS to change someones OPINOIN.

without facts, any radical claim you make is only an opinion, and your unwillingness to suppourt your own opinions with anything but a simple reiterations of "im right your not" and personal attacks on others only makes your opinion look foolish.

if you wish to make radical claims then get offensive when people disagree at least have the decency to provide us with facts

[daniel]

Can't sleep.

I will not hunt like an idiot for statistics that have probably not been invented due to a lack of research.

The attacks were not as bad as what you took them trust me

Also like I said, my argumnet on this is so obvious it requires 0 facts. On other things I would of course do so but on this...nope.

I may actually seems how the positions of some on here are so illiogically annoying.

If you look through my full arguent you will see that I have been very consistent. Firefly had to fly off because he couldn't stand the heat (pun intended). If he hates me well thats bad becasue all I have demonstrated is my reason, logic, common sense and arrogance coupled with a determination to show you facts are not always needed.

And if the facts on this do exist they will support me.

PREPARE FOR STATISTICS. You annoyed me so much I am now searching for some good old stats. They will not agree with you lot though, especially not the firefly thing that nearly all rapists are not in control etc.....thats illogical too considering these stats etc that quite clearly state how many there are.....must be alot of insane people out there??

I think not! No... I know not

Well no study on whether sluts are ore likely to get raped but will check again sometime.

http://womensissues.about.com/od/rapecrisis/a/rapestats.htm

That though is pretty clear evidence that most of these guys are actually sane as me or you as they are your partner most of the time.

Didn't one of you say that with a mind of a rapist it would be impossible for that person to date a girl...or something similar?

I know not.

And also lets not forget that those girls dating arseholes who will one day rape them are probably the type of person that opens her legs to anyone. Yes thats a very sane assumption, once again based on my own view from where I live. Nearly Every slag I know (and many of them I see alll day in my town and local street) are cooked up with real derranged guys, all of thuggish type.

WHEREAS

Most girls I know and see that look non slutty are with someone who looks smart and decent.

I bet you disagree on this too don't you but I bet you facts are out there if you look further than them poxy statistics you provided earlier:)

[Lord Draud]

.A "sane" rapist is purely out for lust or sex, and so what a girl wears is a UCH LARGER factor
not true most rapists are out for power they want to domonate women and rapeing them is a way for them to feel power over them, same with most cases of beastialty they want to have power over things. and money pisses me off the most. i am not geting into the whole daniels an opinated person or not with a ego the size of a cargo ship, cause in the end he has a right to his say and so do we

[daniel]

not true most rapists are out for power they want to domonate women and rapeing them is a way for them to feel power over them, same with most cases of beastialty they want to have power over things. and money pisses me off the most. i am not geting into the whole daniels an opinated person or not with a ego the size of a cargo ship, cause in the end he has a right to his say and so do we

Well actually I said sane rapist but power does come into it. Perhaps I am wrong here but fact still remains sluts will be more at risk and its usually their partners that do it. And as said it is most likely the sluts that will be with the derranged /thuggish type of guy

[TheDragonKnight]

you dont need to bother reading these unless your either, daniel, or think hes right.

http://www.moreheadstate.edu/units/development/life/rape/who.html
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:T2Sn3RlFH8kJ:tkdtutor.com/08Strategy/Rape.htm+rape+causes&hl=en
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:wR46fG5_mgAJ:www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/02/11/what-causes-rape-anatomy-of-a-rape-culture/+rape+causes&hl=en (ohhh i like this one)

<edit>

You imply that sane can be sane and commit crimes like rape, thats debateable, however, regardles of what you THINK or BELEIVE its a FACT that rape is not about sex in the vast majority of cases, it is as druad says (dammit im agreeing with him again!) a power issue, its about having control over your victim.

[daniel]

you dont need to bother reading these unless your either, daniel, or think hes right.

http://www.moreheadstate.edu/units/development/life/rape/who.html
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:T2Sn3RlFH8kJ:tkdtutor.com/08Strategy/Rape.htm+rape+causes&hl=en
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:wR46fG5_mgAJ:www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/02/11/what-causes-rape-anatomy-of-a-rape-culture/+rape+causes&hl=en (ohhh i like this one)

Oh dear did you dismiss my other post?

Oh dear did you use statistics again..tut tut

AND: You still still still fail to realise sluts are more at risk than a non slut for 2 reasons I have outlined.

Topic closed til morning. I have never met such a dismissal to (yes you guessed it) absolute logic in my life

[jetblue]

What pisses me off is that its friday night and I got nowhere to go. No bar,nightclub,game,nothing. Just in front of the damn PC.
Life gets lonelier and lonelier.

[Lord Draud]

hmmm danny boy are you doing this just to get bad rep to beat me outa last place? i mean your trying realy hard here to get peopel made at you at least that what iam seeing i just walked in to this today after i say the post count jump like 10 posts in a day...

[daniel]

What pisses me off is that its friday night and I got nowhere to go. No bar,nightclub,game,nothing. Just in front of the damn PC.
Life gets lonelier and lonelier.

Jetblue I am starting to like you:)

and lord draud, no I am being totally serious on this

[TheDragonKnight]

You still still still fail to realise sluts are more at risk than a non slut for 2 reasons I have outlined.
id think the reverse would be true after all, if they are such sluts you dont have to rape them, they'll "put out" willingly.

[daniel]

id think the reverse would be true after all, if they are such sluts you dont have to rape them, they'll "put out" willingly.

................no

but, there is quite a nuber of people that believe for a girl to play along and show no objection to the rapist they are safer as like draud said alot base it on power. I do not know how true this is.

But equally I guess it isn't going to work in the majority of cases which again have proven to be the persons boyfriend.

[Lord Draud]

what is it they say? if you don't want to be ask to fight a fire don't dress up like a fireman, in teh end you might not be a slut BUT you are wearing a sluts uniform so if your treated like one its your own fault

[daniel]

I only just noticed your incredible post count...is that second best around here?

and yes draud thats right in a way.

EDIT: I got another bad rep, I knew I would

[Lord Draud]

grin yeap its the second best, what i also ment was that dressing up like a slut will get your whisled at and looked at and pinched and grabbed but in the end if a girl says no you have to stop. most guys can and will do this but if you don't want to ru nthe risk don't play the game its not like they are wearing a sing saying "rape me" its just the way it turns out its not right but it happens

[daniel]

grin yeap its the second best, what i also ment was that dressing up like a slut will get your whisled at and looked at and pinched and grabbed but in the end if a girl says no you have to stop. most guys can and will do this but if you don't want to ru nthe risk don't play the game its not like they are wearing a sing saying "rape me" its just the way it turns out its not right but it happens

I finally agree with something around here

[TheDragonKnight]

even if they walk naked down the street carrying a sign saying rape me, you still should not do it, there is simple right and wrong to consider, its not her fault if she is raped, the man who commits the crime is at fault, and responsible for his own actions.

[Lord Draud]

meh iam just trying to see it with fresh eyes now i also have to say that more then a few rapists go for preppy or well dressed women because they want to break them and make them feel powerless, that is also a driving force for some of them esp if they have been snubbed by women all there life some times the cloth don't matter. well while ithink the blame should fall on the rapist if she was walking down the street naked or nearly so i think being raped is a lesson on to its self one that the person in qestion needed to learn

[daniel]

even if they walk naked down the street carrying a sign saying rape me, you still should not do it, there is simple right and wrong to consider, its not her fault if she is raped, the man who commits the crime is at fault, and responsible for his own actions.

I agree. But she cannot complain either since she may have contributed. And I certainly believe she was more at risk as I have kinda been arguing for 3 hours or more

Now proove e right on something else, instead of arguing click those rep buttons and send pleas to locke cole to come and get me for my opinion like before (well dunno who but some ppl do it)

and they certainly did...2 of them, 1 saying "You asked for it"...that person did not understand that I was actually showing them that I was gonna be prooved right...and they did not realise I do not want repping for opinion. But whoever you are I do not care because you know you are illogical and wrong.

[Yojimbo]

oh my lord, i was away a matter of hours and 3 pages of posts has been done, you could have waited for me guyshttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

and i still cant believe we are still talking bout rape.

well i am totally sided with daniel on this debate, guys take a bloody look around you tell me one fat slob that is prone to be raped in comparison to a sexy looking teenager??? the sexy one will be raped mosty probably and thats the fact here, although i very much doubt that you imbosiles will agree, because you always trying top twist things. i dont know how many times i will have to say this question until one of you acknowledges it and answers it but here ill write it again.

WHO WOULD YOU RATHER RAPE IF YOU WERE TO DO SO, A FAT GREASY GINGER SLOB, OR A SEXY BLONDE TEENEAGER????

please answer my question sombody, PLEASE dont ignore it for a 4th time because it is very ignorant of you if you do so.

[Kilu]

WHO WOULD YOU RATHER RAPE IF YOU WERE TO DO SO, A FAT GREASY GINGER SLOB, OR A SEXY BLONDE TEENEAGER????
The correct answer is, neither. If the answer you are looking for is "A SEXY BLONDE TEENAGER", I have one thing to say. Some men like bigger women.


If I was a moderator, I would lock this topic right away. I would also ban couple of people in the process.

As I said ealier in this thread, the thing that pisses me off the most in life are arrogant and ignorant people. That sentiment has grown ten sizes while reading this thread.

[Yojimbo]

if you would have read the post properly kilu, you would have seen that it states "if you were to do so", and if you were a mod ok i would accept that you would lock the thread, but why ban people (me and daniel is whom you speak of) for putting our strong feelings across, maybe it is because you dont like us because we dont believe in what you guys believe in???

and i also believe you have wrote that to give locke the incentive to carry out your requests, and i hope that is not the case because if we are banned that is not warrented and is totally unfair.

[bjp4444]

Originally Posted by Yojimbo

WHO WOULD YOU RATHER RAPE IF YOU WERE TO DO SO, A FAT GREASY GINGER SLOB, OR A SEXY BLONDE TEENEAGER????

I actually did answer this awhile ago, answering the same as Kilu. Although I would guess, when it came to the mind of a rapist, it would be the victim he was most likely to succeed with. Since attractiveness does not matter to 89% of rapists, I'm sure they are looking for a more convenient target. I'd guess they are looking for a girl who is devoid of self-confidence, one that will put up the least amount of fight.


Also, daniel, you stats did nothing to prove your hypothesis that "girls who are dressed more sluttily are more likely to be raped". They did show that most rapes occur by someone who knows the victim. Is it your theory, then, that they wait until the victim is dressed sluttily? That the rape only occurs after the victim puts on slutty clothing? I'm confused how your stats prove your point (I'm not saying they can't, I just don't see how).

Well, I'm off to take a shower and such. Y'all have fun now you hear!
-bjp

[Lord Draud]

i think i can shead some more light on this, danny is saying that a girl who is dressed slutty is more likely to be raped i will prove so useing simple math but please remember that it is simple math and thus can be picked apart ok here is goes a girl dressed like a whore will be more likely to be asked what her serveces cost then a girl dressed up like a buissness woman, ON AVERAGE most guy will execpt that she the girl has said no and will move on how ever a small percentil will also be ofended and thus try to force what they want on to her = girls that dress like sluts or whores have a much greater chance or being raped ON THE STREET then girls that are dressed more conserviivly, this math only works for the streeet and your stats show most are not but that does not changet this fact. now this math does not work for rape cases that have people that know the victom involved because its likely they don't care wht the victem is wearing .....i hope that i was clear as mud

[Locke Cole]

if you would have read the post properly kilu, you would have seen that it states "if you were to do so", and if you were a mod ok i would accept that you would lock the thread, but why ban people (me and daniel is whom you speak of) for putting our strong feelings across, maybe it is because you dont like us because we dont believe in what you guys believe in???

and i also believe you have wrote that to give locke the incentive to carry out your requests, and i hope that is not the case because if we are banned that is not warrented and is totally unfair.
Actually, I asked for those who are up for forum moderator positions to express to me how they would react to this topic, as I have been sitting back and watching people dig themselves deeper holes.

Did you know this was a little girls nice little thread until you people started this whole rotten debate? This topic isn't even suitable for Marona to continue posting in, and I am ashamed at how many times I have seen users attack each others opinions. You can express your own opinions without bashing the other side of the argument.

I have already been addressed to this thread with upset emails from users who browse these forums (registered or not), and this topic is now in the spotlight. Some of our male and female browsers are outraged by some of the stupid things that have been said, and for good reason.

As I said, I have been sitting back and waiting to see who is going to redeem themselves, everyone had 9 full pages to chill out, lots of time to show their true colours. Now I must make choices to protect this community from further falling deeper. http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/shame.gif

[Lord Draud]

i hope that i have made me self look abit better in teh eyes of you guys i tryed to see bolth sides argument and try to find common ground... ( note this is what we call covering ass)

[daniel]

i hope that i have made me self look abit better in teh eyes of you guys i tryed to see bolth sides argument and try to find common ground... ( note this is what we call covering ass)

I have agreed with you Lord Draud more than anyone else except Yojimbo and Grey fox, so you did something right.

Being outraged is quite natural, it does not mean an opinion should just be thrown away. The "female" thread readers can be outraged, I have been called in the past

Bigoted
racist
Sexist
Arrogant
Nazi
Crazy
and many other things the nazi one completely wrong

As for the others I live with simply becasue you cannot be any of the above when stating facts. People think it is sexist to state that men on average are more intelligent than women when the statistics and history are quite clearly that men invented nearly everything known to man on average.

Also People think that women are "every bit as strong as men" when the facts are completely the reverse.

People say "women are just as good at sport as men" when the facts in the olympics etc show that men are certainly physically superior.

You see, this cannot be sexist. Sexism is where you are prejudice against a sex because purely they are that sex. NOT where you choose to say something or not choose someone due to ability of prooven averages.

I am afraid you will disagree with the above statement but this time I have statistics, history and God almighty to back me up.

Blame him if you cannot agree with what I just said:)

[Yojimbo]

well that is 100% the truth and this cannot be argued against otherwise, men are more superior to females, science proves this. lets have a few facts,

who is more physically stronger 1 = male
who are the better scientists 1 = male
who contributes more to society 1 = male
who is mentally strongest 1 = male

these are just a few simple facts to prove us two correct, oh and one last comment

what was Jesus (GOD) 1 = MALE

[Gimble]

well that is 100% the truth and this cannot be argued against otherwise, men are more superior to females, science proves this. lets have a few facts,

who is more physically stronger 1 = male
who are the better scientists 1 = male
who contributes more to society 1 = male
who is mentally strongest 1 = male

these are just a few simple facts to prove us two correct, oh and one last comment

what was Jesus (GOD) 1 = MALE
You say these are facts. Show me where you got those "facts" from. Untill then this will stand as your opinion, not a fact.

[Locke Cole]

Here we go again. You don't seem to understand the feel of our community. This is a place for enjoyment, a place for people to come and have fun. This sort of crap does nothing but the opposite, it drives users away, it insults them.

[daniel]

Here we go again. You don't seem to understand the feel of our community. This is a place for enjoyment, a place for people to come and have fun. This sort of crap does nothing but the opposite, it drives users away, it insults them.

ok i agree but it was not crap what i said. it was fact and i can definately provide you with facts and stats this time.

But yes....I suppose what you mean is...don't go and be opinionated here, its a place for "nice" opinions and if you disagree with someone in this ay and reate such a controversial subject then you are asking for trouble.

This is a game forum not a debate on all topics forum. Well not from what I can gather.

I will try harder not to bring up worthwhile harsh opinionated debates

[Locke Cole]

ok i agree but it was not crap what i said. it was fact and i can definately provide you with facts and stats this time.

But yes....I suppose what you mean is...don't go and be opinionated here, its a place for "nice" opinions and if you disagree with someone in this ay and reate such a controversial subject then you are asking for trouble.

This is a game forum not a debate on all topics forum. Well not from what I can gather.

I will try harder not to bring up worthwhile harsh opinionated debates
The problem is more how people post their opinion. If you post something I disagree with, I can counterpost my opinion without the need to say yours is wrong, without the need to attack your side of the view. Two opinions can be posted seperately without the need for an all out your wrong/i'm right type of situation. Everyone has an opinion, and none of them are totally right.

[Yojimbo]

Locke your a guy arnt you, you must be you did make this site im sure a woman couldnt do it, therefore male wins again, does it not???

and gimble science proves this, even women scientists have stood up in debates and said it so, its all around you do i need to bring facts, take a damn look around you, tell me who made you PC???, who is the richest guys in the world???

men ARE superior, why the hell do the vast majority of people on these forums have to disagree with the proof, it must be because you go out looking for an argument.

who is the cleverest person on Earth, its a "MAN" named stephen hawking, and if he is the cleverest person on Earth this means males are better.

[Locke Cole]

Locke your a guy arnt you, you must be you did make this site im sure a woman couldnt do it, therefore male wins again, does it not???
This is by far the STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard. I know of females that have sites 100x better then this one. In fact, a female taught me much of what I know. She was my guide, my mentor. You are a shame to the males of the human race if you truely believe you are superior. You wouldn't even be here without a female.

[daniel]

well i suppose women can and do make websites etc..and are very good at many things (better than men in some) but the fact still remains that men did invent nearly 100% of everything.

also do not mistake me for yojimbo, we hold similar but not the same viewpoints

[Lord Draud]

now now guys lets not get out of hand again, men maybe the stronger of the human race but we are not the most stable inthe mind men are more likly to go nut then women ( and i mean like totaly spaztaztic not just bitchy)/ men are were the better scientests because for the longest time women were not aloud to do the work but we are finding that at least in the mental feild they are our equal. this is because in our day and age we are teaching our women the same as our men the brain will do best at what it was always tought to do. as for contributing more to socity as a whole, for the most part women where shoved tothe side and thus not heard but they have help us out in the last few years ( not counting the braburning ones that seems to think they are god on to them self) as so jesun is not god but the son of god and well if you want to get down and dirty about did god raped marry cause he didn't ask befor he knoced her up lol!

[daniel]

It is actually prooven that the Y chromosome gives rise to better inventors, writers, sports people etc. It is an accepted fact in the scientific community no matter how much people argue.

And yes unfortunately men also provide the sub humans like hitler

[Locke Cole]

well i suppose women can and do make websites etc..and are very good at many things (better than men in some) but the fact still remains that men did invent nearly 100% of everything.

also do not mistake me for yojimbo, we hold similar but not the same viewpoints
There may be reasons for this, did you ever consider the factors? How many females were given a chance to try to invent things? They were not even given the liberty of education originally, which does not make them stupider, just sadly abused by those who decided they could try to mold the race. If I was a female and saw this kind of discussion, I think I wouldn't even bother to respond. Did you know atleast one of the users who have posted in this thread are indeed female? You assumed otherwise...

This is continuing to grow out of hand, when I asked for it to end.

[Yojimbo]

no women are not our equals when it comes to mentality, not when you see rocket scientists roaming around (99% are men). men are superior, and how dare you say i am a shame that is very insulting and rude, you could have put it across a different way, well im gonna leave you guys be on this topic because at the moment this tyhread is showing women to be more superior because you guys are sticking up with them, you are more or less saying women are better and thats a shame, a big shame i pity you.

[daniel]

"Never gets the point. Can't just drop it, even after Locke came in."

Another bad rep.

To whoever wrote this I have one thing to say:

You missed the point entirely, it is called debate. This is just a bad rep for an opinion again

[Lord Draud]

tsk tsk tsk i am saying that women are better at something equals at others and poor at some, for the most part women are not stronger or tougher then men some are the generaly no. women how ever do have a more creative mind then men and thus are better at desining and colours and such its all about balance, in the end if the genders were unbalenced the race would not survive

[daniel]

tsk tsk tsk i am saying that women are better at something equals at others and poor at some, for the most part women are not stronger or tougher then men some are the generaly no. women how ever do have a more creative mind then men and thus are better at desining and colours and such its all about balance, in the end if the genders were unbalenced the race would not survive

No they are not as creative, as is the case with book writers etc etc. THis is also widely accepted in the scientific community.

They are better with presentation, colours and voice though YES

[Locke Cole]

Why does it have to be threads like this that are this active? I'd love to have a forum this alive, but on more lively, friendly topics. :o

[daniel]

Why does it have to be threads like this that are this active? I'd love to have a forum this alive, but on more lively, friendly topics. :o

Becasue this is what gets people feeling passionately about things, it angers them into response:)

and I totally agree with ypou, I wish we could have both;)

[Lord Draud]

i was thinking more of the creativity used for makeing things look and sound nice, writing a book takes more then creativty mind you there are soe damned good female writers out there

[daniel]

i was thinking more of the creativity used for makeing things look and sound nice, writing a book takes more then creativty mind you there are soe damned good female writers out there

I agree but on average men are greater writers (women also apparently deliberately use male names so that they may get published more). This is not sexism..its just what we were made like, I would say the same thing if I weer female. I don't like the way it is I think/know it is an unfair world.

Also women are not as nasty, smarmy, arrogant, egotistical or war-drawn like men. Men are naturally more aggressive and provide us with all the awful weaponry (through more intelligence however) that we kill each other with.

So in that respect I would agree women are better people.

I see this both ways you know. The world would be a much more loving place with women in charge.

But it would also be a more dull and less creative place

[Gimble]

Ahh, so many great generalisations in this thread... wonderfull.. and such a pity

To all you men who think you're so much better than women: Go out in the world for once and meet them. You'll be suprised, I am sure. It's not all science that matters.. :)

[daniel]

Ahh, so many great generalisations in this thread... wonderfull.. and such a pity

To all you men who think you're so much better than women: Go out in the world for once and meet them. You'll be suprised, I am sure. It's not all science that matters.. :)

No its all the other things I mentioned too;) as well as me sticking up for women below to an extent

[Lord Draud]

sigh its to bad i am single i could make a woman very happy with me veiw i think, well at least on women lol i would have to find a truly evil and twisted women to be my mate

[Gimble]

Your whole statement of men being superior to women is based on a scientific point of view. How else would you define superiority?

Fact is, men and women are different. In general they shine in different kind of things and situations. If you're telling me that women are generally weaker than men physically, then you'd be right. But there's so many more things to take into the equation to be able to say that men are better than women as a whole.

Where would mankind be without women? Where would mankind be without men? Nowhere. They depend on eachother, and complement eachother. There isn't a better of the two, because there's no way to compare them.

Gotta go now. To be continued :)

[daniel]

Your whole statement of men being superior to women is based on a scientific point of view. How else would you define superiority?

Fact is, men and women are different. In general they shine in different kind of things and situations. If you're telling me that women are generally weaker than men physically, then you'd be right. But there's so many more things to take into the equation to be able to say that men are better than women as a whole.

Where would mankind be without women? Where would mankind be without men? Nowhere. They depend on eachother, and complement eachother. There isn't a better of the two, because there's no way to compare them.

Gotta go now. To be continued :)

I agree mostly, but in most things men outshine women this is just fact. We are not equal. . But the stats/facts/histrory certainly show men as a whole are "better" in the majority of things. I do not find it fair you understand. I actually like women more in certain ways to men, i am merely stating a "bigoted" fact. and it certainly is a fact for those of you who want to argue this time.....sigh

[TheDragonKnight]

What are you smoking? and why arent you sharing?

Anne Mccaffery
Mercades Lackey
Margret Weis
Elizabeth Moon

These WOMEN are the masters of their craft, infact anne is generaly considered to be one of the most amazing authors of fantasy, past or present.



oh by the way, weve seen your OPINION may times, but you have yet to provide any facts for us.

[Lord Draud]

lol not to get biblical but men with out women would still be in the garden of eden if you believed that sorta thing LOL!!! also ann rice is a kick ass auther and TDK please don't get agressive i just tryed to get us all on nice talking terms again

[daniel]

What are you smoking? and why arent you sharing?

Anne Mccaffery
Mercades Lackey
Margret Weis
Elizabeth Moon

These WOMEN are the masters of their craft, infact anne is generaly considered to be one of the most amazing authors of fantasy, past or present.



oh by the way, weve seen your OPINION may times, but you have yet to provide any facts for us.


Dragonknight the facts are there for everyone to see. The Y chromosome, go check the net. The fact that most men are best sellers on average. The fact that polls and stats show that men do better in higher jobs, the fact that most scientists were men like einstein. The fact that nearly all sports records are held by men....I could go on and on but your mind is closed to the blatant and nasty truth.

Best darts player: a man Phil taylor
Best archer: a man
Best snooker player: a man ronnie o sullivan
Best master chefs: men
Best writers: men (stephen king is probably the geatest in his field and JRR tolkien made the greatest book of all time)
Most Inventors: men
Most Scientists: men
Most murderers/rapists and sub humans: men
Jesus: a man


I could go on.....but its futile you just cannot accept it

[Gimble]

lol not to get biblical but men with out women would still be in the garden of eden if you believed that sorta thing LOL!!! also ann rice is a kick ass auther and TDK please don't get agressive i just tryed to get us all on nice talking terms again
Men accepted the forbidden fruit though, so that makes us just as guilty ;)

[Lord Draud]

ok i am trying to moderate the hate here now danny and tdk please play nice you two are totaly oposted to each other and thus are going to get into fights how ever please try to mask it with at least a thin veil of politness

[daniel]

ok i am trying to moderate the hate here now danny and tdk please play nice you two are totaly oposted to each other and thus are going to get into fights how ever please try to mask it with at least a thin veil of politness

I am being lectured by draud? arghhhhh but I am not hating him. I just know his statement on this is rubbish and that mine is far more accurate. And now we can debate. I will not use any insults or deliberate wind ups here but its hard not to get argumentative:)

[jetblue]

(I have broken my 666th posting)

Hera has as much power as Zeus. Aphrodite started the great Trojan War. The most ruthless and feared warriors were the Amazons.
And my mom is the only one in our family with a Masters. Out of a family of 8 im the only one without a degree.
And my mom may not be able to beat up a guy to a bloody pulp,but if she has a knife in her hand and some big muscle guy was trying to hurt her he would be dead before he hit the ground. She learned to knife fight working in the fields.

[TheDragonKnight]

Dan once again (well actauly i think its aound the fifth time) you need PROOF, simply saying someting is fact doesnt cut it.

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you know youve stepped WAY out of line when druad can lecture you! :P

[daniel]

Dan once again (well actauly i think its aound the fifth time) you need PROOF, simply saying someting is fact doesnt cut it.

And I provided that to you with the below, you go look it up and find out that i am again right.

[Lord Draud]

erm danny boy can you tell me witch one of my ponts isrubbish i would like to put of a flimsy defence for it

[daniel]

erm danny boy can you tell me witch one of my ponts isrubbish i would like to put of a flimsy defence for it

not really yours that was rubbish...i think it was dragonknight I was referring to

yes it was I said "his" ;)

[TheDragonKnight]

It is not my respobsibilty to prove your point for you, it is your stance YOU need to do the work to back up your position, if your opinoin means so litte to you that you are unwilling to susppourt it thats your problem not ours.

[daniel]

It is not my respobsibilty to prove your point for you, it is your stance YOU need to do the work to back up your position, if your opinoin means so litte to you that you are unwilling to susppourt it thats your problem not ours.

EDITED: may have been taken the wrong way

seriously though it aint up to me to go around websites to back up the very valid statements below, especially the fact that jesus was male, or do you want me to proove that also?

Your argument and continued battle to make me runa round gathering facts from what is pure fact is silly

You disproove the below. You cannot.

[Lord Draud]

erm iwoudl like to take this time to say thank you to danny and tdk and yojimbo and all of you in this thread you have given me the perfect place to reach my 1000th post and gain thewhite mage rank

[bjp4444]

Best master chefs: men
come on, everyone knows the best chefs in the world are your mothers!http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/wink.gif

-bjp

[TheDragonKnight]

seriously though it aint up to me to go around websites to back up the very valid statements below, especially the fact that jesus was male, or do you want me to proove that also?

Your argument and continued battle to make me runa round gathering facts from what is pure fact is silly

actauly YES it is up to you, the amount of people telling you your a freaking nutjob should be evidence enough that most donot agree with your position or that any of your claimed "facts" are such. as the person with the radical point of view it is YOUR responsibility to suppourt your own facts and opinion to change our minds

my desire to see some facts is far from silly, the basis of a debate is a collection of facts and how they are interperted.

You hold a raical stance, i am simply requwesting you back it up, i am not flaming you about it, and it seems tahts teh responce you expected, now that you have been pressed for facts to suppourt your claim without any flaming it seems you are unable or unwilling to do so.

do your opinions mean that little to you? or is your goal simply to cause trouble and you were never interested in haveing a debate at all?

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DAMN RIGHT BJP! nobody can cook like mom!

[daniel]

you see people dragonknight is beaten. He starts to use terms like "nutjob" which casue problems.

End of debate, go and search the web. find out I a right

[Lord Draud]

erm i don't want to be all jumping into the radicals boat here but i just noticed that almost all holy figures are men....budda, allah, god, jesus, velsharoon ( well he was a man befor he transended to lichdom) ect...... maybe there is something to be said for a gender that managed to subjugate a whole half of its race...

as for TDK use of the insult. it does not automaticly throw out his point it means that his patence is at an end i would have use the term craze radical right winged being my self...

[TheDragonKnight]

so daniel.

do you plan on answering my questions or adressing my points? just curious

[daniel]

You disagree with everything dragon....even pure simple logic. Plus you have a tendency to get agressive so I am off for now. Look on the net for the facts its simple and there is no ned anyway

see ya. also, it is you causing the arguments with your constant opposite view point and the others that attack my opinion/facts out right....

In your world 1+1=2 has to be prooved, my world is sane:)

take care

[Lord Draud]

well this isone way to win a debate, just keep going in crcles till one gets fedup.....

[TheDragonKnight]

hmm.... i think its time....

http://rpgn.lintbox.net/hosting/userfiles/thedragonknight/nhn00583.jpg

im outta here, i doubt ill be returning (to this thread) unless specificly asked, i guess im jsut stubborn i thought i tmight be possible to talk some sence here, but after 11 pages its clear its not.

[jetblue]

Congratulations Lord Draud!!! I too hope to reach the thousand mark. Ill buy you a beer a the Tavern.http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/smile.gifhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/smile.gifhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Gimble]

You disagree with everything dragon....even pure simple logic. Plus you have a tendency to get agressive so I am off for now. Look on the net for the facts its simple and there is no ned anyway

see ya. also, it is you causing the arguments with your constant opposite view point and the others that attack my opinion/facts out right....

In your world 1+1=2 has to be prooved, my world is sane:)

take care

Just because something seems logic to you, doesn't mean it is logic to someone else too.

You're the one stating something as a fact, so you're the one that has to be able to back it up too. That's pure simple logic, and sane. You say it's on the net, can you show us where?

I don't like your tendency to get offensive, so I'm off now.

[daniel]

There may be reasons for this, did you ever consider the factors? How many females were given a chance to try to invent things? They were not even given the liberty of education originally, which does not make them stupider, just sadly abused by those who decided they could try to mold the race. If I was a female and saw this kind of discussion, I think I wouldn't even bother to respond. Did you know atleast one of the users who have posted in this thread are indeed female? You assumed otherwise...

This is continuing to grow out of hand, when I asked for it to end.

This is the only argument that is ever brought up which aims to disproove the theory that women are just as smart as men. It was so obviously going to be brought up that I actually told Yojimbo it would, it got brought up by draud too

It fails.

And the other things like sports records CANNOT be dispelled this way I afraid

also, yojimbo, however much his last post was over the top and ill judged (in a way) was just his opinion, and he was stressed, I cannot blame him. But banning him was pretty harsh.

[Jupeter]

well i havnt been on this site since my high school days now, and also for the last few months i have been living abroad, i have taken lots of my time up reading the points on this hot thread, and i must agree with both sides of the argument, valid statements were made by both parties.

i am slightly towards TDK and Locke Cole's and bjp's way of thinking, but i also think along with daniel that banning yojimbo was very harsh, he was just getting a little too much into the discussion and from what i have read it looks like he is passionate on these last couple of topics, a shame he seems to have a few good points of view and i would like a discussion some time with him, well looks like ill never get the chance now, anyways.

[Grey Fox]

hehe things are getting hot in the kitchen well I would have to agree with Daniel and Yojimbo on this subject that 'men are more superior to females'. You just have to look what 'man kind' did for this planet (in terms of progression). I am not being one sided here at all I am mealy pointing out the truth, and I am surprised that 'u need facts', it is common sense, like the rape debate. (BUT BJP seems to think that 89% of rapists DON'T look for attractiveness in their bit of hanky-panky) anyway... Who fought in both WW and who still dominantly fights in wars is it again....Men, most inventions created have been created by men, not women but Dragon prob wants facts, and I can supply these quite easily. The Hierarchy in this Earth is 1MALE---2FEMALE end of discussion.

And I believe that Yojimbo has been restricted to use this site, this is disgraceful after reading his posts I believe that he made valid arguments, that well contributed to the discussion of this debate. But why can't Locke restrict access to Lord Draud, he has expressed his views openly just like Yojimbo, but some being far more aggressive. He has 'been warned time and time again', but on this account almost immediately Yojimbo has been restricted access. Please tell me why.

[Locke Cole]

hehe things are getting hot in the kitchen well I would have to agree with Daniel and Yojimbo on this subject that 'men are more superior to females'. You just have to look what 'man kind' did for this planet (in terms of progression). I am not being one sided here at all I am mealy pointing out the truth, and I am surprised that 'u need facts', it is common sense, like the rape debate. (BUT BJP seems to think that 89% of rapists DON'T look for attractiveness in their bit of hanky-panky) anyway... Who fought in both WW and who still dominantly fights in wars is it again....Men, most inventions created have been created by men, not women but Dragon prob wants facts, and I can supply these quite easily. The Hierarchy in this Earth is 1MALE---2FEMALE end of discussion.

And I believe that Yojimbo has been restricted to use this site, this is disgraceful after reading his posts I believe that he made valid arguments, that well contributed to the discussion of this debate. But why can't Locke restrict access to Lord Draud, he has expressed his views openly just like Yojimbo, but some being far more aggressive. He has 'been warned time and time again', but on this account almost immediately Yojimbo has been restricted access. Please tell me why.
Because I'm the moderator, and you're not. Lord Draud is nowhere near as bad in the problems that lead to Yojimbo's ban, the fact that you support his every post leads you to defend him, and I expected that, but if you don't like how these forums are moderated, don't use them.

I'm fed up always playing mr. nice guy, letting things get way out of hand to avoid being a forum nazi. No more. This topic has pissed off a lot of people, and is ruining the image we have worked hard to make for this forum. If you wish to join him, feel free to continue to feed the fire. Otherwise, have a nice day.

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[Jupeter]

very harsh of you, he has recently lost his dad and he is in dire straights, please ahve a heart and allow him back in, im sure he will change how he goes about posting.

[Locke Cole]

I will respond the same way I did when you decided to PM me that...

I expected you to come in his defense, as you have an ip that matches his. Thus, his actions may lead to you being banned as well. I told them to cool it, and he pushed on, well past my tollerable levels. If he is to be unbanned, it certainly will not be because you decided to lecture me on my forum moderator abilities.

I've had enough of being taken as a joke, people assuming posting here is a right, not a privilage, and plain out not respecting each other. The whole "my opinion is right, I dont care what you think" attitude is sickening, and I have sat back and ignored it long enough.

You posting on these forums is indeed a privilage you currently enjoy, but we shall see for how long. These forums are for people to have fun, and your comment in the PM about how this site is only great due to these debates is total bs, our site has never had these sort of issues, and its been great long before. We can have fun without the need to be serious and discuss how sucky this world is.

[daniel]

Well I would say that I have tried in the past to elaborate ut where it is totally obvious or where I have said go find the facts for yourself thats just tough I meant that to dragonknight.

He is no innocent in this, he just argues for the sake of it if you ask me, and so do some of the others but this debate was Ok ...didn';t seem that bad until the tempertature raised but i certainly kept MY cool alot better than I once could. (and lets not forget I was called a nutjob)

Anyway I will abide by your rules and not bring up good discussion. I will be just a puppet. I can see your point of view but I do not agree with it all.

I also agree that these arguments make it interesting if you are not so overly sensative and can argue proper (which soem here fail to do miserably) but I also agree that this is supposed to be a fun place.

Sadly some people have took it kinda badly, repping , whinging, being "outraged" etc....well they are the bigoted ones in my opinion.

Still like I say, I agree to your rules. And I also agree that game music discussion/downlaods made this website great. However alternate viewpoints are good, but not when a gang of members takes it upon itself to just defend each other to the hill.

I have said my piece, its all there in writing for people to judge but now I bring closure to this and go back to ordinary game discussion. I may add to other peoples discussions though in the future

[Jupeter]

and your comment in the PM about how this site is only great due to these debates is total bs
i did not mean it like that, i meant it as like differing opinions on whether it be music or rapists is what makes your site. if we were all to post the exact same thing and we liked the same stuff etc, then there would be no point in posting.

[Locke Cole]

i did not mean it like that, i meant it as like differing opinions on whether it be music or rapists is what makes your site. if we were all to post the exact same thing and we liked the same stuff etc, then there would be no point in posting.
Jupeter is either actually Yojimbo, or is allowing him to use his account, and thus is banned. This is from a private message, and I quote:

....and therefore people will be forced into stopping writing in a frenzy, i didnt suspect you would unban me and well i think that sucks,...

...Duping is reason two for the ban now. This is one of those times when a mod is pushed beyond his limit. Thank you for ruining my weekend folks. I'm no babysitter.

[Mithrandir]

I don't see where you guys see the "opression" you so call. I don't feel opressed or nothing on these boards. You have your opinion but the only problem is the way you present your opinion as being the good one and the only one acceptable. You can expose your opinion but don't go telling you have the truth, you don't know if it's the absolute truth, unless you are God which I don't think you are. An opinion stays an opinion.

As for Jupeter, I find it weird that the Yahoo IM account of Yojimbo is "jupeter9198"...and that you have the same IP....kind of a weird coincidence don't you think?

Anyway, I have to go with Locke's decision on this one, you had your chances to abide by the rules of these boards and you didn't.

[daniel]

apparently my ban is on the way people. Thats very nasty of you locke to prepare to ban me for practically nothing other than my opinion as I have said I will just be a puppet.

And worse still you have probably been waiting for sometime to dispose of me :(

EDIT: and worse still I am afraid I beat dragonknight into the ground with my argument but he just comes back for more with bad interpretationa nd illogical reasoning...also he calls people names when the going gets tough.

Did anyone rep him? Except me that is

[TheDragonKnight]

People seem to think they are allowed to question the administartors decesions. i find that foolish, questoning them publicly is going to get you nowhere.

you want druad banned? why? hes a freak, and he'll prove it bty coming in here and thanking me for calling him a freak most likely. :P

you on the other hand daniel, are ignorant, have ignored the rules of a fourm many times, resort to personaly attacking anyone who desnt agree with you and consistently refuse to make ANY positive contribution., i would reccomed YOU be banned, you are not a benifit to this community.

grey fox. quit while your ahead, your not currently a big issue yet, if you want to stick your name right up next to dan and yojimbo, you could be, so far your biggest offence (in my opinion) has been your quadruple post. but your quickly catching up.

incidently since none seems to be able to clue in as to how many people your pissing off, LOOK AT YOUR FEEDBACK. you have all lost reputation in the coruse of this thread, i have gone up, with comments such as good job, or "you made my point for me" there may not be many people posting in here but its clear that most of the members agree with the positions put forth by pjb and my self.

locke said "becasue im the moderator and your not" AND THATS AS FAR AS IT GOES!

there is no room for debate there, no argument, you cant win this, yojimbo is gone, and if you want to insult the admin about it you're likely to join him shortly!

[Mithrandir]

No one said you were going to be banned...unless you want to be banned which is another case...

As Locke said, follow the rules and there on't be no problem.

[Admin]

apparently my ban is on the way people. Thats very nasty of you locke to prepare to ban me for practically nothing other than my opinion as I have said I will just be a puppet.

And worse still you have probably been waiting for sometime to dispose of me :(
No, if you read the PM quoted to you properly, I stated that yojimbo was used as an example, since people did not take my warnings seriously. Yes, it could have been you, but I did say that you have been given a second light, and are currently not banned, right? If I wanted you gone, trust me, you would be. Yojimbo left me no further choice, and might I add I bring this topic to light in our chatroom, and many of our posters agree my choice was valid, and did the justice required.

Lets move on and live life.

[daniel]

I have finished with you dragonknight, you are a disgrace to logic

I can't win? I did do dragon, you lost and your threats do not scare me

[TheDragonKnight]

wow, i make one post (by request) and instead of anything sensible danile can only insult me how nice.

hmm i wonder if teh moderatos would object to a "should we ban daniel" poll....

[daniel]

you are more rude and saracastic than you actually think I am.

And your post was hostile or do you want me to "proove it" and we also know that you are personal friends with locke...in person

maybe that is a factor here

[TheDragonKnight]

again my relationship with locke or lack of one has no bearing on my opinion, i happen to agree with him (this happens often, as we live together so its been proven we think alike on most topics thats why we havent killed eachother yet.

i have ben remakabley civil i think throug hthis, yes i could ahve been nicer, but you are on my last nerve and im only human.

i shall prove for you that you are the wrong person here.

i have received a total of 6 positive reputation during my posting in this topic, all from this topic, i have received one bad reputation that did not work, it was from yojimbo.

how many good and bad reputation have you received? and how many of each worked? mabey that will give you an idea of how many friends you have made here.

[Locke Cole]

Daniel and Yojimbo just confronted me in an MSN chat, and I would like to express what I told them...

- LEAVE ME ALONE! -

I am not the forum babysitter, and I have made my decision. As I stated the ban was to let people cool down, it was to be temporary, but he had to keep pushing on. Email, PMs, MSN.... harass someone else!

*walks away*

EDIT:

apa Lazarou says:
tell me to let me in, or his site will be harased

I am now being threatened over MSN. See why I made my choice? I think I'm going to have to make some changes to further protect this community, thanks to a few foul people.

[daniel]

dragon....that does not win te argument. again you display a total lack of understanding on why someting is won.

Not through being popular, through being right.

And I was

[daniel]

Daniel and Yojimbo just confronted me in an MSN chat, and I would like to express what I told them...

- LEAVE ME ALONE! -

I am not the forum babysitter, and I have made my decision. As I stated the ban was to let people cool down, it was to be temporary, but he had to keep pushing on. Email, PMs, MSN.... harass someone else!

*walks away*

EDIT:

apa Lazarou says:
tell me to let me in, or his site will be harased


I am now being threatened over MSN. See why I made my choice? I think I'm going to have to make some changes to further protect this community, thanks to a few foul people.

well leave me out of it, i am cool unless i am unfairly treated, I think I just have to ignore dragon becasue he talks nonsense. And this all went so far tjhrough someones opinion. Only thing I have against all this is it was not moved to serious discussions

and

Enjoying your dupe account? The greater good? Do you know how many of the forum regulars hang out in our chatroom? They all support and endorse the ban I made, I did the greater good.

You are the unlucky soul who is being used as an example made, daniel and them will get their bans too, they are treading a fine li. Sucks to be you, boo hoo. As for your email, I havent even read it yet, thus not r
Papa Lazarou says:
not replied to it obviously.

I have had enough of this debate, either back off or be the second user banned for this situation.

Enough is enough.

was a very bad post to be honest....it was pretty heartless

[TheDragonKnight]

sigh, i notice your not telling us your feedback, its not an issue of popualr, look at how many people think youve gone too far, have been acting immature, ect, THAT is why you get bad dfeedback not becaseu we disagree with you.

however lets go back on topic now.

littel things that piss me off, MSN messanger, it doesnt let you rename your contacts, i mean ive got almost 100 people on my list, naming them teh way i want to would REALLY help me keep track of them.

[Locke Cole]

well leave me out of it, i am cool unless i am unfairly treated, I think I just have to ignore dragon becasue he talks nonsense. And this all went so far tjhrough someones opinion. Only thing I have against all this is it was not moved to serious discussions
I would like to take this time to mention there is an ignore list in your options panel to prevent viewing of his posts, if its that big an issue.

[jetblue]

I just started using MSN for the first time. I got tons of help setting it up from Blade Tanaka. How do you change the name you have? Or does it have to be your e-mail address all the time?

[Sobou]

jetblue, it should be under "personal settings".

There should be a text box labeled "My Display Name". Simply enter what you want your name to be and boom, it's your name.

[jetblue]

YAY,I did it. I now have the name of......jetblue,on my MSN thingy.
Thanks sobou:)

[Marona]

im sorry guys i shouldn't have started this thread.i didn't know it would go farther then that i thought.i thought people would like to talk about common things that happen to them that they hate

but i guess i was wrong...i thought it would be nice to know some people and knowing what annoying things happen.

im very sorry people...youre welcomed to send me any rants to me.i understand

[demalavor]

One of the things I hate the most is when people act like an authority on a subject even though they know very little about it. Especially when they try to give advice on a subject where they are obviously the ones in need of some advice themselves. Gah, it just pisses me off so much.

[bjp4444]

youre welcomed to send me any rants to me I know I already told Miss Marona this, but anyone who does this is just plain out of their mind. It was the rest of us kept posting on this thread who let it get out of hand, and was not of Marona's fault at all. Anyone who would do so would "be the thing that pisses you off most and alot in ur (my) life"http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Perhaps we should all apologize to her for ruining her thread. I AM SORRY, MARONA.

-bjp

[Lord Draud]

i am still waiting for my ban.. i mean at ties i can be like yojimbo and danny boy.....

[jetblue]

You better not get yourself banned or Im walking all the way through canada and when I find you I will use my powers to turn you into hermit crab.
A small one. With a empty matchbox as a shell. http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/smile.gif