games, films and britain

[Grey Fox]

well this is my 1st post and well these are my points of view in life in general about anything really. Well ff games are great except (x2) they involve skill and, the plots are well thought, the best ff in my opinion is 7. As the characterisation is great and the plot is fantastic, and that it takes a great deal of time to be fantastic at it. Also there is always something to do on it.

that films nowadays are turning crap basically cos audiences go to watch the actor instead of the film, such as most teenage girls would watch Oceans 11 cos Brad Pitt is in it. Girls he is not god. These kind of people in the world need a slap, they all conform to anything gossipy that’s why they know nothing of the connotation of the world.

Britain is bein taken over by Asylum seekers and the faith of Islam. Most are living off benefits and taking this country as a ride that’s why I would vote 4 the bnp in the next election. (If anyone from Britain went to Saudi Arabia would u see a church...no. Over here we have Mosques all over the place, Because Islam only has that faith everything else can go to pot.

I really do enjoy Metal Gear Solid games they are cool and again are well thought, and touch issues where other games cannot go.

ps I thought I'd tell u my views. keep it real. Boomshanka!

[Yojimbo]

i agree 100% with paragraph 1 and 3, but differ somwhat to the views of the 2nd.

that films nowadays are turning crap basically cos audiences go to watch the actor instead of the film i disagree, because many films are not like this (although many are toohttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/wink.gif), lets take the newest of the star wars films 'revenge of the Sith' im sure people do not go for the looks of yoda (but i know what you mean).

Britain is bein taken over by Asylum seekers and the faith of Islam. Most are living off benefits and taking this country as a ride that’s why I would vote 4 the bnp in the next election this is true anyone living in Britain would and should know this.

[jetblue]

Hi Grey Fox welcome to one of the best sites on the web.
You got a little codename yourself there I see. I use to use Slip Manta years ago.

I dont watch much western hype films. Foriegn is were its at. Kitano,chinese,hindi,Korea are coming out with some good stuff.

There was a show on discovery channel about refugee's riding on the freight cars of the chunnel. I can only Imagine the speeds and the darkness they went through. Most of the refugee's were muslim and the show was mostly about them. All I can say is times change. Peoples,empire's,goverments cannot stand forever. Its best to flow with it than try and stop it.

[daniel]

grey fox my friend, you hit the nail right on the head. watch out though, some people like to shout racist whenever they can't argue properly.

[tanisthalon]

Unfortunately too many are forced onto communities at once. This in turn does not let the communities adjust and problems greatly arise. I live in Hull, where it is very apparent. Due to the way the imigrants have been intergarted, there are large communites altered without any consideration of understanding etc.
Most people also feel let down by the government due to the way grants and other such monies are easily handed to imigrants. Due to the situation Hull is in i.e. unemployement etc. I could go more into Hull, but there is enough to write a book due to perosnel and cumalative opinion and facts.
The thing I feel let down most by is that the police, may only be in Humberside, is that much of the trouble involving imigrants is let go. Many walk around in gangs with knifes and the odd occasion guns harrasing and threatening. Nothing is done to counter it and stop it from happening. But this again refers to what I briefed earlier, it is a culture shock for the UK. Both sides really need to try to work it out.
This one, although not through any fault of imigrants but the government; is that 8 schools have been closed in the city as of this summer. Most of these are to be reopened as imgigrant only schools to teach them english. The big concern for many here is that our schooling is already very poor. Pushing the children into other schools, greater class sizes with less teachers is not sound practise.
All in all I believe a good majority are here for a better way of life, I hope we can give them that too. It is just the minority that spoils it for them, just like we have a minority as many british citizens pervert justice and abuse the social system.

Hey, on a lighter note, its been snowing :).

[Yojimbo]

originally posted by Jetblue
Peoples,empire's,goverments cannot stand forever. Its best to flow with it than try and stop it.
this cannot be allowed to happen for the British government, as if it does fall to its feet, the muslims would move in for the kill and take over the government and then everyone in Britain will be living under the Islamic Sword. The take over has already begun, because in some Catholic schools Islam is being taught. Also many white women in the community decide its better to get together with a black immigrant and in some circumstances these daft women wear the asian clothes, really hacks me off.

The only way to stop all this nonsense Tony Blair has let happen is for the British public to see sense, and vote for the 'British National Party', and that will surely put an end to all of this refuge business, and it will also reduce crime by giving criminals harder punishments.

[Grey Fox]

Why can't Britain just say 'no' to Immigrants and Asylum seekers. To seek Asylum my ass, they seek benefits and a easy life (all paid by the British public, of course). This country is been taken as a ride and a laugh.

What’s the point in trying to develop and unite communities around Britain while there's a trend of Asian yobs roaming around on all estates, society is unstable. And a certain amount of this is down to Immigrants.

Britain is full

Over in America they have something called 'death row' over here they call it the post-office queue. (withdrawing their benefits)

Boomshanka!

[daniel]

The problem in this country is that liberals run it. We are run from Brussels and by the European Union (dictatorship).

We can't bring back death penalty for major criminals because it's against their "human rights" we can't put them in a nasty jail, its against their "human rights" , we cannot talk openly about the way in which islam is creeping up on us, we cannot talk about why it has not integrated yet or why there are people preaching hate in mosques (even weapon cache found in london mosques) because that is "racist". We are silenced by a government that does not care and does not want to know.

People portray Islam like it is a tolerant and beautiful religion, well folks sorry but I am about to blow that wide open. Muhammad was a paedophile, he went out witha 6-9 year old (he had was having sex with her by 9) called alisha (forget the spelling). He was a burglar, a criminal and a pillager. He made many laws for himself like having many wives whilst in one of his "trances". How convenient.

The Koran (Qur'ran) is based on this principle. It is filled with muhammads victory and how you should go about imposing islam onto everyone who are unbelievers (kuffers...i forget the spelling). In todays society, Bin laden and the bunch take this very seriously and thats why we have islam the menace. Also people here in britain take it seriously and thats why we will be bombed by our own "citizens". There are many law abiding and nice muslims, but that qur'ran is the soul reason we have problems.

They have absoloutely NO intention of integration and thats just the ones that have had families here for years. They want to assimilate us. They talk Urdu in shops, its pig ignorant. They walk around wearing them clothes, teaching their children to be just like them (most streets where I live look like Pakistan). They build mosques and moan at ANY criticism but nicely forget how many churches there are in pakistan that survive more than a week. They use the "racism" card whenever they are bein challenged and so do the liberals to cut debate.

To top it off, like Enoch Powell said, if we do not control this and immigration we will be having a civil war here in years to come. If we do not take a tough stance on integraton of the immigrants/muslims then this "multi culturism" that is spouted around will be no more than the illusion it already is in 50 years.

Indians and the like are such a small minority that there is no problem, also they do not seek to impose their religion on others, preach hate in temples, seek extra privelages...the list is endless.

Britain is being laughed at, the french call us "the dustbin of europe" ..this is very very accurate.

[Yuffie]

Our house prices are high enough already. With more asylum seekers there's even less space so the prices are going higher.

Which is why I'm moving to America! :D

I've decided after uni I'd like to like there (not sure which state though), just because the prices there seem so much fairer and there's actually space available for my swimming pool, spa, gym and restaurant. :D

[silverDistortioN]

damn british immigrants! taking our jobs and violating our women!

hmm...

*ponders Yuffie violating our women...*

[BAMAToNE]

Britain is being laughed at, the french call us "the dustbin of europe" ..this is very very accurate.

The French have no room to speak, since at last count over 50% of their population is now Muslim. This is why Chirac was (and is) such a dick to the U.S. and President Bush. He doesn't really give a crap about Iraq. He's not standing up for human rights or some bullshit like that. He's making sure his constituency votes for him in the next election.

Yes, I'm saying he's being a politician. Sigh.

[daniel]

I remmeber I liked your opininions on bush and europe some time ago, its nice to hear from you bamatone. So far on politics you speak some sense:)

[Yojimbo]

correct the french have many muslims, but they stop there and try to prevent refugee's etc from coming in, but in England its"come on down and use the benefit system", im in college writing this and i look like a white dot on a domino, very intimidating

[Yojimbo]

sorry for the double post, i posted twice by accident because these college computers are rubbish, cant wait to get on PC at home

[Yuffie]

I wouldn't mind so much but a lot of people come here and give themselves a bad name despite what you see on the news.
At work the majority of people we call turn out to be from other countries who've moved here and don't speak a word of English. If I was going to live in another country I'd at least make that sort of effort. :p

As well as that when I walk down the highstreet or go into McDonalds you get guys who don't understand our culture thinking that if they say "You good! You sleep me tonight! Yes? Very sexy!" then you'll jump into bed with them. They're not exactly charming or handsome and they think they can get women to do things for them.

Trick is in this part of the country the women bite back. :D

[silverDistortioN]

why would anyone want to emigrate to britain anyway?
i mean... britain?

[tanisthalon]

My partner works at Greggs. The way the immigrants talk to her at the other girls on the counter is absolutely disgusting and some of the gestures are damn right annoying. Now if the tables were turned they would take my missus straight to the cleaners. Unfortunately for her and the others, they have to grim and bare it as no-one really wants to know. Its a shame how our laws seem not to address our citizens but the rest of humanity :(.

[Yojimbo]

originally posted by silverDistortioN
why would anyone want to emigrate to britain anyway?
i mean... britain? i find this statement offensive and rude, you say it as if Britain was a dump in the first place. Britain is my home and i love the place, i am just disappointed at the government for their lack of interest in keeping it our country/s. Britain would be a great place to live except for these 'foreiners' ruling the roost.

the city of Bradford is the best example of the immigration, people no longer call it Bradford, but Bradistan (if you have seen the place, its no wonder really) a very sad sight.

also the way they speak to anyone is disgusting, they use very abusive language towards us and also talk hurdu so we cannot understand them, even though we know they are slagging us off. They believe they own all the white women and its a disgrace, they try and get the white girls because they look better and it gives them an opportunity to date a nice looking girl before the are forced by their parents to sleep with a beast in an arranged marriage. They enter shops like greggs to intimidate the people behind the counter. in a corner shop in town one of the 'asian' shopkeepers touched up a white girl against her will, and in another my cousin is being whipped and beat.

[bjp4444]

Britain would be a great place to live except for these 'foreiners' ruling the roost. if america had never been full of "foreiners", as you call them, i doubt it would be at the place it is today.

also talk hurdu so we cannot understand them, even though we know they are slagging us off. two questions, if you went to their country, would you follow all of their customs to the letter? would you speak their language fluently and not once use english? and if you did use english, would they know that you were not "slagging them off?"

before the are forced by their parents to sleep with a beast in an arranged marriage. i didn't realize every woman of arabic decent was a beast. glad to know that. what a ridiculous statement. i'm sure it would (and does) piss you off when you hear a "all british has horrible teeth" statement, so why would you use a generalization here?

think before you speak. how woudl you like it if i started talking about how america was being overrun by british "beasts and animals" (yuffie excluded, of course)? I'm pretty sure you woudl be up in arms, trying to tear me a new asshole. i'm not even arabic, and i find these statements troubling. WE ARE ALL HUMAN. Deal with it. Unless there is a low prohibiting all speech other than English, or immigration laws stating that no one else can come in, then they are free to do as they choose. You may not like it, but that's an offshoot of freedom.

and sure, you could have a relam that could be free of all peoples that don't look like you. i think i guy named hitler tried that once.

sorry if i rambled or if anyone thinks i went off topic. i was just sick of hearing this rhetoric.

-bjp

[silverDistortioN]

i find this statement offensive and rude, you say it as if Britain was a dump in the first place. Britain is my home and i love the place, i am just disappointed at the government for their lack of interest in keeping it our country/s.c'mon man, i wasn't being serious. i've certainly put up with enough anti-american quips over the years. you can ask TDK.

and i'm quite proud to have never beaten him up... yet. =)

[daniel]

bj thats the point you fool, we AREN'T allowed to be in their country (we are not allowed to build churches there, but we endure any criticism by them when we are even slightly critical of THEIR behaviour). You don't believe me? Try living there (in the likes of pakistan/ Iran) I give you 1 week before you are beat up in many of them (probably even killed).

BJ i want you to know that you have absolutely no idea what its like to have a load of muslims assimilate you. If you lived here where I do in my town you would learn that "dealing" with it isn't exactly what I should have to do in my own country.

THEY SHOULD BLOODY WELL RESPECT MY LAND AND INTEGRATE (please even slightly). In time, they will be forced to, jihadists or not (which quite alot are prepared to admit with total immunity from the silly liebral law we have here. ). Either that or they will be booted out (even britain cannot put up with it for much longer).

PS if freedom means I have to put up with some "britains" here burning my flag and celebrating 9/11 with total immunity then freedom is something that needs to be readdressed isn't it.

[Yojimbo]

listen up BJP444, you do not live in Britain and you are living in a fantasy if you think you know what it is like. These yobs are not living in this country for the sake of somewhere to live, they are plotting to overthrow our government and make us live under the islamic sword. If you have taken the time and effort to read this thread in its entirity you would see that all the british people posting are totally together on this (Yojimbo, Daniel, grey fox, yuffie and tanisthalon). read tanisthalons last post, it says it all, they ARE RULING THE ROOST PAL .

Maybe you should live in "Bradistan" for a day and you would be on the first flight home after you have been rather mugged, stabbed, raped or viciously assualted. you are simply clueless on the matter, BRITAIN IS BEING TAKEN OVER GET IT, please dont post on the matter because you clearly havnt got the slightest idea, Britains situation will end up with a civil war in the near future

[Grey Fox]

Well bj, for a starters the term u used 'we are all human' is quite obvious to me I am looking at the connotation of British lifestyle and immigration and those seeking asylum here to reside in Britain is a big issue. I only believe it to be fair that anyone entering the uk has to conform to our principles. And OUR way of life. If they conformed more in British society then their would be a more harmonious society. Take for example the headscarf’s worn in France by Muslims, that incident sparked racial hated all because they can't abide to French regulations. But then what’s the excuse 'its our religion'. Ha it's their religion to wear long black robes and cover themselves up with only there eyes to be seen, what kind of religion is that anyway.

And they start to complain that things aren’t going their way, well if u lot don't like your free-bee money and ur child benefits and your council properties then go back to glorious Pakistan. Britain needs to cut down on slackers entering this country for a free-ride, and then they don't conform to our principles. Britain is full, and anyone who has a different opinion to this well they need a slap.

Boomshanka

[daniel]

EXCELLENT POST. I could not agree more

[Yojimbo]

this is one hell of a post, you hit the nail on the head, well done

[silverDistortioN]

christ guys, don't take things so personally!

and keep in mind that britain isn't the only country with immigration problems... the US has its fair share of people trying to catch a free ride. in fact, in california, the white population has actually become the minority.

so just don't assume BJP is clueless on the matter.

[jetblue]

You guys would absolutely hate chicago. Its one of the most ethnically diverse city's Ive been in. This suburb Im in is mostly middle eastern. Some come directly from the desert because there skin is still striped with the radiation of the merciless sun.
I wish I could go to there countries. And one day I will see mecha and medina. Walk in the streets of thesepolis and taste the waters of the tigris and euphraetes. And yes I know i can get killed just for being a westerner but hey I almost got killed a few weeks ago just giong to my brothers house if the punks gun did'nt jam.
Perhaps the muslims go to england because of there grandfathers. Im sure they told there families tales of the english(and france). If I remember there were english forts and garrisons from egypt to jerusalem to iran and afganistan. And Im sure they brought there own missionary's or protected other missionary's from other countries.
But guy's I know youre angry and please dont go on a lynch mob. Change is always frieghtining and sometimes painfull but Im sure things will settle down and in the end Britain will grow stronger from its muslim/british brothers and be better than before.




My bad eye is acting up so forgive spelling errors. Going to get it looked at on thursday.

[bjp4444]

a few things:

one: i never mean to personally attack, so if you felt i did, i certainly apologize.

two: other than new york city, i live the city with biggest arab (mostly iraqi) popualtion in america (detroit and it suburbs). i know arab people, i know a lot of arab people. i have not once had any sort of problem with one arab. at any time in my life.

three: in fact, the most problems i have here in detroit are with conservative, backwoods whites who feel that everyone needs to look the same way, practice the same religion, act the same way, etc. this angers me so much because it is entirely against the founding pricipals of america, at least in my eyes. we are to be a land where one can say what they want to say, dress how they want to dress, worship whatever or whomever they want, etc. that is what makes america great. your statement just sounded too similar to what i hear from a lot of people and a lot of right-wing radio hosts here. i just really upsets me that people can't be more accepting of other's beliefs. i understand britian to the us might be apples to oranges, but i thought our two countries were quite similar when it came to these things.

five: i also certainly understand that there is a major religious rift in the world today. i also understand that there are many, many islamic fundamentalists in the world that want nothing more than one state of islam. i won't dispute that. if there is a sizable majority of them in your area of britian, then i do feel bad for you, since they are obviously skewed in their train of thought. but you cannot claim that all arabs are the same way. i think my area of the world speaks for that. i've had more caucasian guys from michigan (re: oklahoma city) commit terrorist activities than any arabs from the area. perhaps a semantical argument, but i'd prefer if you spoke specifically about specfic arabs or whomever in your area causing problems, then to speak in generalities.

well, i've rambled again, sorry so long. i just wish everyone on this planet would wake up and realize that we're all the same. all of our small intestines are roughly the same length, we all usually have ten fingers and ten toes, we all have a brain that has mysteries surrounding it none of us will ever comprehend, and we all have a sense of kinship. you may not see it, but you do. perhaps one of those folks from another land has a love for the same vgm as you. wouldn't that be something?

peace and love to you all http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/wink.gifhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/love.gif
bjp


jetblue, glad to hear you are safe. guns are the worst invention ever brought upon this earth.

[Lord Draud]

A hoy my fair people i hear the winds of angry peope shouting there discontent and i must agree that some points are well made how ever i must say that a person switching from this to that in a spirtal sence is difficult thing to do i know i did it....i switch from christianity to Velsharoon after long years of being disturbed by what my fellow white god lovers where doing and have done over the years. as for the so called invation of britan the same thing was said years ago when many indians moved there (in fact it was commented that british food is threated to be over run with curry), i understand your wefare system is over burdend but in the end we are all humans and lets face it we move to where the grass is green, i personaly think that we should all keep screwing ech other till we area all the same colour! that way we have less to hate about each other!

man i am a evil raceist basterd ( at least other think so) and damn your posts make me laugh likea mad man i love it! britian spawn the US with has the same sorta of attitude! anyway in the end When i rule the world arguments like this will be needless cause in will inforce peace and all that try and break it will be shot no questions asked just see my posts in Evil people only thread for more

[Yojimbo]

some very valid statements, but we are not all equal due to the fact that these people in my country think they are a cut above the rest therefore potraying as 'different', thier faith tells them that they are different and more superior to western civilisation, they enve us.

and i also disagree with the statement by BJP about the guns, the worst thing created is the qur'ran (koran, not sure of the spelling) the most vulgare peice of scriptures ever. Guns are made for protection and were created in the intentions of self defence and not to be abused, the only people to have control of these weapons is the armed forces, the public should be given a life sentence if found with a gun.

[Lord Draud]

guns where made for the same reson cross bows and swords where made, equal out the playing feild you maybe a 6 foot 5 hulking mass of mussle but a bullet will put you down just the same, no weapon was made for "self preservation" and it would be stupid to think so, weapons are ment to threaten and kill its what they are used for and what they have always been used for, i must say that your geting closer to the truth yojimbo but its ALL text pretaining to anything religeonish they all claim that they are better and then heritic and infadels will be burned look closer to the bible and you will see "god" urging us on to kill anythign that is not "one of the blessed" as more islam vs the west its been this way since the dawn of time when they are in a stage of enlighten ment and learning we are in our dark age and vise versa its one of the first thing we learn in history class but since british schooling is substanderd even by your own reconing i would not expect you to know that BUT i do expect that smart people like your self would care to reada bit more on the people you hate... thats all i ask dam nit i am the most inhuman evil person you will meet but DAMN IT I KNOW WHY!

[bjp4444]

if no one had a gun, why would anyone need one? to injure or kill, plain and simple. they have no positive qualities to them, but that is only my opinion.

-bjp

[silverDistortioN]

the worst thing created is the qur'ran (koran, not sure of the spelling) the most vulgare peice of scriptures ever.just to offer some perspective, here are some quotes from the bible:

“Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell” (Proverbs 23:13-14)

“If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods . . . thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people . . . If thou shalt hear . . . Certain men . . . have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods . . . Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants ofthat city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword” (Deuteronomy13:6-15)

"But the hand of the Lord was heavy upon them of Ashdod, and he destroyed them, and smote them with emerods, even Ashdod and the coasts thereof" (1 Samuel 5:6)haha! emerods! XD

[Yojimbo]

ok, you can quote against the holy bible have a good listen of this from the qur'ran then compare the two, and tell me which is more ludicris.

a man can have sexual pleasure from a child as yound as a baby. However, he should not penetrate; sodomising the child is OK. if the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. this girl, however, does not count as one of his four perminant wives. the man will will not be eligable to mary the girl's sister
how ridiculous is this book, wait there's more listen to the next riff raff,

a man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people of his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine
still more, please acknowledge the bold writing in the quote,

eleven things are impure: urine, excrement, sperm...non-muslim men and women... and the sweat of an excrement eatin camel.
more....still,

any father marrying his daughter so young will have a perminent seat in heaven
and more,

if one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, an ewe, or a camel, thier urine and their excrements become impure (the animals that is), and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned.
The qur'ran is one of the most stubborn enemies of civilisation, liberty, and the truth which the world has yet known

[silverDistortioN]

i was NOT saying the bible is a foolish foundation for religion. the implication is that only the most fundamentalist practitioners of a religion are the ones who give that religion a bad name.

you shouldn't go around expurgating the world of muslims just because of a handful of nonsensical passages in the koran.

[bjp4444]

using the translations resources at islamicity.com, i ran the following words through theri koran searches:

urine
sodomising
excrement

these words did not come up once. the word "sex" did, but only in relation to creating the two sexes.

if you didn't know muslims believe in the old testament, as far as i understand.

where are you getting your translation from, so i can see it for myself?

-bjp

[Yojimbo]

you shouldn't go around expurgating the world of muslims just because of a handful of nonsensical passages in the koran. why not, these muslims are running around the streets of britain, putting these acts into practice, its damn right out of order they need imprisoning and punishing for this.

you move over here, your attitude towards this thread would change like the wind to the opposite direction.

BJP this 'web page' you found is a load of balony then, these statements were wrote up by the head of the British national Party and he is not allowed to change things so they are biased against muslims, he would be imprisoned and stripped of his position therefore these statements ARE in the Qur'ran why do you think 2 planes were flown into the twin towers, for the fun of it dont think so, they were putting thier beliefs into practice

[daniel]

I have to agree. The Koran certainly does endorse the killing of civilians and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that you cannot compare muhamMAD to Jesus.....

Muhammad also formed his religion in AD based on buddism and certainly christianity, twisting it for his own gain. Where jesus says love and peace, muhammad comes along and says, believe in allah or else lets strap a bomb and kill a few civilians.

It is right to talk about this because it is affecting me in my own country. I have just 1 thing to say...if they don't like my country then why do they persist in staying here? Why don't they leave for a muslim country? Multiculturism and the mixing of completely different ideologies only results in war and everywhere Islam is at the moment there practically is one.

[jetblue]

C'mon guy's dont start saying hateful things about someone's religion. There's no room for such hatred for that here in the forums or anywhere. Thats gutter pub talk. You're gonna build up so much negative energy in you and others and before you know it you're gonna pick a fight with some muslim boy and kill him. And where do you think thats gonna get ya?
It is also in the quran and the torah and the bible "respect other's religion".
Yeah it conflicts with a lot of other passages but its there. And not all Kalif's and kings followed it in history.
And just wait till the next generation of those immigrants come of age. There uk born kids may seem to grow up like them but they will be more western and tolerable and probably go over to the anglican church in no time. It always happens. At least 80%. Immigrant children loose there cultral identity and conflict with there parents.
But if you all keep showing negativity like this you're gonna alienate them in a very diffrent way.

[BAMAToNE]

they have no positive qualities to them, but that is only my opinion.

You have to know that's false. If someone invaded your home and you could dispatch the threat with a handgun, you know you'd do it. Any sane man would. Especially if he has a spouse and/or children with him in the home.

Expanding on that, I'm sure the French thought guns were a good idea when the Americans and British came to rescue them.

[Lord Draud]

i personal think there is room for all opintons...just theres will be best heard in oh say i donno alabama or maybe texas or maybe another place with a avrage tooth count lower then there avrage I.Q ( look at me i am useing sterotypes too mom can i be like bush now? also i don't mean to ofend anyone from thoes states) amazingly like the britian i have heard so much about, but since we are deriding bibles and what not let me do little "...and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing."
"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord."
"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing."
"Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands." . Ok now on to flying planes into tall buildings \, they were fanatics, you know like you guys are, now iam not calling you guys liars..ok i am i think you guy pulled thoes "qoutes" from your ass.
LETS NOT FORGET 32 million dead cause you fuckers ( and yes i mean the brits the french and all other fundy fuck ups) desided you want to free them in to eyes of god, i mean reading your posts you guys remind me of a german...named...oh i forget but he was around from 1930's to mid 1940's you might have a better memory then i, also bush is a dumb ass republican puppet he can do what he wants cause guess what he has 4 more years and is a wartime prez no one kicks them out no one.

[bjp4444]

a couple of things:

one: i ran the searches of the same words through translated koran versions posted at:

The Univeristy of Virginia: http://etext.virginia.edu/koran.html
The University of Southern California: http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/
The University of Michigan: http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/

the searches all came up the same. i've included the links so you can check them out and see for yourself. are all these very reputable institutions lying also? i'd think they'd get in big trouble for doing so. I can personally vouch for the integrity and professionalism of the Michigan library system, as that i where i studied for four years.


two: i would not use a gun, since there will never be a gun in an apartment, condo, house whatever, that i will own or rent. this is my preference. it's troubling to me that one should even need one. a horrible reality of today's world (although i can still leave my cars unlocked at home at night and not worry), but that does not mean i have to accept it or think that i am just resigned to the fact. and my original question of if no one had one, why would one need one, was never really answered.

thanks
-bjp

[Lord Draud]

i personaly think guns are cowardly i say use a knife if you look into his eyes when you cut out his hart its much funner then the BANG! oh wow loo kat his funny face he made at the sound just after the bullet blew his neck apart, that and useing a knife is better cause its gets you all bloody and it feels oh so good to be covered in the life blood of your enemy

[BAMAToNE]

two: i would not use a gun, since there will never be a gun in an apartment, condo, house whatever, that i will own or rent. this is my preference. it's troubling to me that one should even need one. a horrible reality of today's world (although i can still leave my cars unlocked at home at night and not worry), but that does not mean i have to accept it or think that i am just resigned to the fact. and my original question of if no one had one, why would one need one, was never really answered.

Whether you choose to lock your car is your business. But when it is stolen I expect you to serve up that same idealism to the insurance company and tell them the truth when they ask if it was locked.

You original question I did not answer because it does not deal in real world terms. I'm not debating this philosophically. I don't have time for philosophy. There will never be a time in the near future where "no one" has a gun. In a perfect world, even if guns existed there would be no need to use one because no person would tread on another in a violent fashion. And kittens could speak and I'd have better hearing and hot dogs would grow on trees. However, that's obviously not true in today's world, and to idealize in this way would be to invite misfortune upon yourself and those near you.

[Morbo]

Hello. I am a follower of Islam, and I just want to say I find what some of you are saying about my people and my faith very offensive. Beastiality is forbidden. We are taught to respect others' religions and do our best to do so. These alleged passages are false, and it angers me that you are willing to believe the worst when you have yet to so much as touch the Qur'an.

The Qur'an promotes good in men. It is not an instrument of destruction. Good Muslims do not support suicide-bombers. And while fundamentalists say otherwise, the Qur'an forbids suicide.

No, I am not from England, but your attitudes toward Islam are remarkably intolerant for any country. We are not insects to be exterminated.

I love RPGamers Network, but some things that have been said here disturb me. I hope this does not tarnish my name.

[Ephraim]

Don't worry. Not all here support the statements made in this thread. Some people are actually willing to do some research, like you can see from bjp's posts, and they are defending truth from lies.

BTW, you might want to change your sig.http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/wink.gif It doesn't match your post.

[Morbo]

(It was a Futurama quote! My favorite show.)

Thank you, Ephraim.

[Ephraim]

No prob. Hope to hear more from you in the future.

[jetblue]

Yes,Hi Morbo http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/hi.gifwelcome to one of the best sites on the web.

[daniel]

Lets get off this gun subject, the thing we are on about here is the failure of multiculti. Somebody below said we may end up killing a muslim boy..that is pure nonsense.

All we want is our country back, for them to integrate and stop trying to assimilate us. Also BJP, you are being brainwashed, the liberal media etc etc does not portray the koran like it is as I said on my first post. That is the main point. The BNP are a political party and do not lie, those quotes are directly from the Koran

If I went to pakistan to live, after genertaions of my family I would expect to see my family integrated or why would they stay there? (actually I would expect to be beaten up in modern day pakistan, have my house trashed and be ridiculed).

As Enoch powell stated, with the number of immigrants we have etc etc....there will come a day when we are having mass riots and possible civil war. I do not want to see that happen.

Morbo don't give me that bullshit I am way past them little games. We have something caled free speech unlike Islam and I can say what I want if it is important and it is the truth. You and Islam have no right to silence me, if you find it offensive then complain to Allah and Muhammad (yes the one that is a paedophile). Can i ask you what religion tells people to live by the sword? What religion casues more hassle around the world more than Islam?

Also somebody just said that bjp is using facts to defend the truth...this again is nonsense. If people such as yourself fail to see what is going on here especially with Islam, then free socities, especially in England are doomed. All i ask is that if the poeple of Islam are totally incompatible with the west why do they seek solice in a western country. The answer I already know....but if they do not like our ways, they should pack up the mosques and go back to a muslim country.

Once again Morbo, you will not silence me I am free, so don't even think about using the "you are offending me and my religion" bullshit I hear it all the time to stifle debate. It does not wash with me and people with half a brain

The muslims in my country dispel what you say about Islam being great, I see it around me in the gangs, the mentality and I know for a fact that this religion will kill itself if it hasn't already killed everyone (refer to someone like Iran getting hold of anuke etc..there are many ways), I have seen plenty of nice muslims...but the majority just want england to be pakistan that is the fact that I cannot accept

[Zeugma 440]

As Enoch powell stated, with the number of immigrants we have etc etc....there will come a day when we are having mass riots and possible civil war. I do not want to see that happen.

As in France, with Jean-Marie le Pen's speech... but why trusting these far-right leaders ? They tell you what you want to hear about immigration problems ! Personally, I really doubt it will really end up like this :shame:

Bad news always make more audience than good news, that's a fact.
Extreme solutions are the easier to think about and to apply, that's a fact.

...but think a bit more before claiming all these radical opinions as the Truth with a radical T. As a civilized humans living in society, we should think otherwise !

if you find it offensive then complain to Allah and Muhammad (yes the one that is a paedophile).
That is a free and shameless verbal attack, daniel ! You acheive absolutely nothing by saying this but offending people here http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/wacky.gif

[daniel]

yes it was a shameless attack, if someone can tell me its not true I am willing to listen. He said his religion was peaceful and great....and I said that to show him and also to show that free speech means offending is allowed. I find loads of things offensive. Lump it, that is free speech

Enoch powell was not far right, he was a politician who was kicked out of the tory party for speaking openly about immigtration. he was given a standing ovation in parliment, he was an absolute genius, a massive IQ

[Zeugma 440]

Of course you can do it ! But people cannot lead a debate by throwing insults at each other because they know they can. That's just... childish http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[daniel]

no...i did not believe it to be an insult. it was a valid and true statement although a it callous.

Actually I suppose enoch powell was far right...but not in the way most peopel think. He was a well balanced and knowledgeable man who was at first part of the mainstream party setup. I will calm down now, but i want noone telling me to stop debate because they find my remarks offensive. I am attacking the ideology not a person on these forums.

[bjp4444]

daniel, if you believe that a political party would not lie to further their own agenda, then i feel very, very sorry for you. it happens all the time her in the states. freedom of speech also includes freedom to lie. our president isn't allowed to lie or mislead the american people as far as i'm aware, and i'm sure every single one of them has. politics is a game of power and deceit, when it should be a mission of service and aid.

daniel and others, i've never claimed that there was no problem in britian. i do believe you when you say there are some rabble rousers that are causing trouble. but you can't say it is all muslims, and then quote crap and fake passages from the koran as proof. and you still speak in generality and stereotype. that only weakens your argument.

going by your rationality, should i try to expel all black and latino christians from the usa because some of their youth form gangs and cause problems in the cities. they certainly praise theri god a lot when doing their business, i'm sure "gangsta" rap can attest to that. oh wait let me amend, the asians have gangs also. do i try to expel all of them? and who can forget the italians and thier mafia? uh oh, i'm about a quarter sicilian, does that mean that i have to leave the country for a quarter of the year?

the gun thing, sure we can end that. and, yes i guess i was being a dreamer, but that's me. yes, i did have my car broken into once the year i lived in nashville. and yes, i did tell them that i had left it unlocked. that was because i came from an area where i've never had to lock them before. and im back there now, so i don't again.

i'm not brainwashed, i make my own decisions. i've stated before that i do realize that there is a major relgious rift in this world right now, and yes, it could and has caused problems. but the solutions you're bringing up are only going to worsen the problem, at least in my eyes. understanding, awareness, and compromise ON BOTH SIDES is the only way anything will be solved. hatred, violence and death only stokes the fires more.

-bjp

[daniel]

wasn't crap or fake pasages matey, and it wasn't me who quoted them.
The BNP are not lying, i see what they are talking about everyday here. And I doubt very much they can put "fake" passages onto an official political website, I feel sad for you if you think they have.

Once again, the fact is "on both sides"...they won't. People like you will be sorry if Islam grows as much as it has here, you will e sorry if Iran gets hold of any kind of power too....you don't believe me? Just watch

PS "some" rabble rousers...that had me in stitches..its the entire base of Islam to cause rabble. I'll give you some quotes:

http://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/islamic_menace.htm

Heres how the great religion treats women

"004.034 AN-NISA (WOMEN) - The Koran
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."

Let me also remind you bjp I have an army of quotations and websites ready to confront the lies spouted by the liberals.

[jetblue]

Now you're picking on Morbo?
Dude Im american and most have heard of the BNP. Similiar organizations like that are pretty active in the chicago area.
The WCotC killed a korean boy not long ago in chicago.
For those that dont know BNP is listed as a nationalist white supreamascist organization in the UK.
It just cant be addressed in this thread. This whole topic is lost.
Sorry. Now I will post picture's!!!http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/dance.gif



When I start my middle east tour to see the wonders,my first stop will be Morroco and the casablanca mosque. Built by a french architect for Hussan II on his 60th birthday. Sits on a manmade outcropping fullfilling one of islams mosque building requirements:
Shut off protowall for better viewing.





Pictures removed because there loading poorly(wich I doubt)but new ones will follow soon.

[daniel]

This is a valid argument and I am not "picking" on him. I was talking about Islam.
and man, you have no clue who the bnp are.....if u think they go around killing folk you got sommert wrong with you. Nick griffin their leader is avery knowledgeable family man (it is true that a few thugs that think they are bnp go around causing trouble but these same thugs attack ordinary people also and atleast they are locked up...over here the police are scared to death of aresting a person of pakistani origin through fear of being branded racist)

Thankyou for removing pics ut why did u add ones that had no relevance..and why u plan to add more if not to annoy me. this thread is about britain etc..not about colourful patterened pictures;)

I should also add I don't endorse all of what the bnp says, infact they are anti america and i love america, they have immigration and islam pretty much under wraps....they are a good source of alternate news that the BBC finds hard to print through fear of being labelled racist. I don't rely on the bnp for eveything I have reached my own views through much thought and sources.

[silverDistortioN]

but i want noone telling me to stop debate because they find my remarks offensive. I am attacking the ideology not a person on these forums.just so you can see yourself in perspective, daniel, i'm going to quote some of the exchange...



I find what some of you are saying about my people and my faith very offensive.
and
your attitudes toward Islam are remarkably intolerant for any country.compare to:
Morbo don't give me that bullshit I am way past them little games.
and
so don't even think about using the "you are offending me and my religion" bullshit I hear it all the time to stifle debate.

consider to yourself... was he threatening your freedom of speech any more than you were threatening his?

...i don't want this to turn into a flame war. so watch what you say. everyone.

[daniel]

I consider he said that to make me feel guilty (or worse make this turn into a "you're racist" argument) and end debate, i consider my post to be one of being REALLY annoyed having heard those pathetic lines time and time and time again

If he is so concerned let him debate, I don't wanna hear them sad excuses

[Lord Draud]

well you have three ways to go on this now ether you keep trash talking like a inbreed ignorent red neck klan member and get kick off this forum because if i know Locke while he maybe very tollerent soon enough people are gonna complain, or you can shut up and try talking about something less hatefull and your last option is to fuck off go home and join the party to do something about your problems

[bjp4444]

some bible passages:

As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. (NIV, 1 Corinthians 14:33-35)




A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (NIV, 1 Timothy 2:11-12)


But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the husband is the head of his wife, and God is the head of Christ. Any man who prays or prophesies with something on his head disgraces his head, but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled disgraces her head--it is one and the same thing as having her head shaved. For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or to be shaved, she should wear a veil. For a man ought not to have his head veiled, since he is the image and reflection of God; but woman is the reflection of man. Indeed, man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for the sake of woman, but woman for the sake of man. For this reason a woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. (NRSV, 1 Corinthians 11:3-10)




yes, these are much better than the koran. hah!

all religions have passges in their texts that sound bad. but they are only truly horrible when fundamentalists exercise these beliefs. trust me, there are enough idiots around thinking women should be barefoot, pregnant, and have dinner ready by five each night that are muslim AND christian.

another webpage: http://aolsvc.pbs.aol.com/researchandlearn/wgbh/globalconnections/mideast/questions/types (http://aolsvc.pbs.aol.com/researchandlearn/wgbh/globalconnections/mideast/questions/types/)/



i would guess for each webpage and amount of quotes you come up for your side, i can do the same for mine. but, of course, yours are the "truth", and mine are "brainwashing techniques of the liberals" how could i be so stupid!?!?!?!?!?!?

-bjp

[silverDistortioN]

well you have three ways to go on this now ether you keep trash talking like a inbreed ignorent red neck klan member and get kick off this forum because if i know Locke while he maybe very tollerent soon enough people are gonna complain, or you can shut up and try talking about something less hatefull and your last option is to fuck off go home and join the party to do something about your problems*smacks Draud on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper!*
NO, DRAUD! NO!

...but seriously, you're only contributing to the problem.

[Lord Draud]

oh butits fun to get them all reild up, they are a better source of entertainment then...well strippers! besides i am the only hating baster monster of the forum every one knows that there are infringing on my sole domain of hate

[Mithrandir]

Before this turns into something really bad, I'm going to stop you. This place is for debate okay but there's a way of debating things. Using words like people are using in this thread is no way of debating. This not a debate, it's a war.

Everyone is entitled to have his own opinion, I totally agree with that, but in this case, we must show respect to everyone.

Let's take the example of Lord Draud (no offence) who seems to have something against american people. Ok, it's your right to have something against them, but there's a way of saying you disagree with it. I might say I disagree with Paul Martin, am I going to start calling him names? No.

As for Daniel, I know you believe all muslims are bad. But you know, there are different sort of people in every country/nation. Let's take example on USA, where there are KKK clans. Should I say all americans are like those? NO.

I believe Morbo was trying to demonstrate to yourself that the fundamentalist people are the dangerous ones and he totally disagrees with them. Your reaction to it seems to me like it was too strong. You kind of took it like an insult or something even though Morbo was only trying to make its point. Anyway, I think this thread should be closed if you're going to continue to debate like this. If you want to continue the debate, fine, bu do it in a civilised way.

[Admin]

You constantly use "free speech" as a shield for your actions, and in truth this has gotten way out of hand. Free speech is fine, as long as it does not offend or attack another member of this community. We are here to enjoy ourselves, and the direct assults at members of this board, by name, is not only wrong, but will not be tollerated.

This is a moderated forum, and although I believe in speaking freely, I also believe in the feelings of the users of this site. Comments from this point forward should be on the topic being discussed, and not directed at any one person here. Things have been pulled to the extremes, and it shames me that some of you would go to this extent. Let's keep these forums friendly and clean, before I'm forced to take action.

[Locke Cole]

By the way, for those of you who don't know, that last post was me... I was on the admin account checking up on a few things, and forgot to switch back. :) Anyways...

[Kilu]

It's useless to claim that everything you say are "valid arguments" Daniel, we all can read properly and see how arrogant you and your rebuttal towards Morbo was, just for one example.

It's like... everything you and Yojimbo say are poorly disguised, sometimes direct, attacks towards persons rather than arguments eventhough you claim them to be the latter.

There is nothing wrong in debating, but if you can't do it like civilized people, don't bother at all.

[Yojimbo]

Kilu, if you would have read the posts made by Locke Cole, then you would see that singling out people will NOT be tollarated (although i have just done it, i apologise). This discussion has gone to the extremes and beyond and needs to simmer down.

Lets debate on other topics the thread states, like games and Films

[Kilu]

If you would have read the posting times on Lockes and mine posts, you would have noticed that they were posted practically at the same time.

Singling out people and making verbal attacks towards them are two different things. Learn.

[BAMAToNE]

Before this turns into something really bad, I'm going to stop you. This place is for debate okay but there's a way of debating things. Using words like people are using in this thread is no way of debating. This not a debate, it's a war.

Everyone is entitled to have his own opinion, I totally agree with that, but in this case, we must show respect to everyone.

Let's take the example of Lord Draud (no offence) who seems to have something against american people. Ok, it's your right to have something against them, but there's a way of saying you disagree with it. I might say I disagree with Paul Martin, am I going to start calling him names? No.

As for Daniel, I know you believe all muslims are bad. But you know, there are different sort of people in every country/nation. Let's take example on USA, where there are KKK clans. Should I say all americans are like those? NO.

I believe Morbo was trying to demonstrate to yourself that the fundamentalist people are the dangerous ones and he totally disagrees with them. Your reaction to it seems to me like it was too strong. You kind of took it like an insult or something even though Morbo was only trying to make its point. Anyway, I think this thread should be closed if you're going to continue to debate like this. If you want to continue the debate, fine, bu do it in a civilised way.

It's worth repeating. 100% agreement from me.

[jetblue]

And Daniel I am sorry(bow's) for thinking that you were supreamacist and stuff and I was a bit hard on you on other posts in this disscussion. And I know now you're not.
And I agree with one thing:
That any country that has a increase in Immigrants/refugee's(regardless of where they come from) and does not have the resources and the food and the housing to care for them must put a cap or stop how many are entering legally and illegally. And you're country looks like it has reached its maximum intake.



I will go back to the tavern and stay there drinking myself under the table.

[Lord Draud]

i have no regrets the last few days were fun i enjoyed reading all the posts and laughing and sometimes agreeing or disagreeing besides i never apologize and mean it

[Grey Fox]

well I am glad to see that my opening thread is sparking lots of controversy, I believe that the increase of immigrants is not good for development many places are running out of resources and cannot cope. But this is gonna happen anyway, with the worlds already over stretched population. But as u know the birth rate is always gonna be higher then the death rate. (sounds like a new idea for a thread) Plus would anyone agree with me that Bruce Lee was and still is the best martial artist of all time

[Lord Draud]

well realy soon the death rate will be higher then birth rate as baby boomers die off and more and more women are choosing not to have kids till there like 35-40 and they are passed there prime breeding age, i know for a fact that the world has the room for us, its just that we like to cluster it makes it seem worse then it is, but i agree its time start taking a good long look at what we are doing to the only thing that keeps us alive and the U.S government not sineing the acord to help just cheeses me right off they produce the most of the gasses and are using more resources but they don't want to help cause it would cost money, they have not learnd that you can't spend money when your dead

[daniel]

well i am back for this last post on this topic...i have not got the internet for a bit now, am at my cousins. I have just read the responses on here and heres what i think.

Lord Draud, I dunno how he gets away with such anti americanism on here and swearing is the first sign of losing a battle its just not on. Telling me to "fuck off" should get you warned but locke seems to just single me out...

I have been very harsh with my views on here, I believe they are correct but I should have known it would turn out this way with people saying, lets not say this or that etc.. Atleast Jetblue understands and has gone back on some things he said. As for the other thread which locke...locked...well sorry but them pics ere not signitures they were huge in both types of size. I shouldn't have made another thread for that put i was pretty furious after waiting around 30 seconds to be confronted with 2 large patterns. Anyway Jetblue I think we can get on now :)

Kilu, i see you come here into this thread then suddenly attack my opinions. If you lived here you would change that opinion.

Just recently we have 1 girl muslim naturally who decides that her school (mostly of muslims) is being unfair (even though it let her wear the headscarf wasn't enough for the stuck up closed minded idiot). So she wanted to werar the full gown which would seperate her further from the others. That ruling now means that any muslim who is denied the full outfit can sue the school. That is this country all over for you. It bends over backwards for girls like this to say "Post nine eleven blah blah i have noticed lots of bigotry (yup you guessed it shes calling us racist again to stifle debate and get her own way), They denied my human rights...blah blah, denied my religious rights" ...so now she must ask herself...why did she WANT to wear the full gown, as islam teaches it is actuallt designed to put muslim women in their place.

And secondly, what rights and womens rights and religious rights does a woman or any non muslim get in 90% of islamic countries.
she is a hypocrit and a perfect example of the people that want everything for nothing and use "racist", "bigot", "human rights" etc to get their own way. The EU like usual is a backwards load of crap. WHERE ARE MY RIGHTS IN YOUR FAVOURITE COUNTRY BEGUM. WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY.

And locke....I have finished with this thread now it is going nowhere kilu and others that disagree you just need to take away your tunnel vison and see it how it is here.

Someone said this was a war....nope. Only lord draud started shouting the odds in an uncivilised way.

I could go on about this but i cannot be bothered re reading the posts at the moment...i am still reeling from the latest muslim girl who has took the piss out of my country

[Kilu]

It's funny how I didn't even agree or disagree with anything you have written in this thread, and yet you claim that 'kilu and others that disagree'. See, I have no opinion on the matter.

However, I do disagree the way you represent yourself and your opinions.

[daniel]

and u don't seem to bothered i got told to fuck off by lord draud, if me or yojimbo had said that we would have been attacked and told to leave.

anyway this can be my last post;)

[Locke Cole]

Lord Draud, I dunno how he gets away with such anti americanism on here and swearing is the first sign of losing a battle its just not on. Telling me to "fuck off" should get you warned but locke seems to just single me out...
Let's not start telling the moderator how to mod the forums. Draud has been warned on various occasions, just because I don't warn him in this topic does not mean he has not been told to knock it off. I hate it when I get accused of things I am not doing. I addressed you in this topic because various complaints were sent to me using the "report this post" feature, and thus I stepped in.

[Kilu]

and u don't seem to bothered i got told to fuck off by lord draud, if me or yojimbo had said that we would have been attacked and told to leave
Well frankly, I didn't read any of Drauds posts because I'm tired of trying to navigate through his grammar. It usually isn't worth the trouble anyway :dance:

And, I didn't read read all the posts in this thread by other people either, because after couple posts most people just started to repeat themselves with slightly different wording. I tire of reading same 'arguments' again and again.

[Lord Draud]

i won't take that as i insult cause in the end i know that my grammar is worse then most if not all other posters but i do make some good points!

[Crmy]

ok, you can quote against the holy bible have a good listen of this from the qur'ran then compare the two, and tell me which is more ludicris.


how ridiculous is this book, wait there's more listen to the next riff raff,


still more, please acknowledge the bold writing in the quote,


more....still,


and more,


The qur'ran is one of the most stubborn enemies of civilisation, liberty, and the truth which the world has yet knownI, a celebrated Athiest, have even read the Qur'an out of interest. No where does it state any of these quotes. This man can't even spell or capitalize correctly, who would believe him? No one, and no one should. Anyone that hates a Moslem (Muslim) because of their religion should die. I have every right to hate the Moslems and the Christians and Jews. Anyone out there I can make fun of and prejudice, but I only hate one group for their extremist ideas. Please, just be read the Qur'an or learn Arabic and read it yourself. It is full of inspiration, and even if you don't believe a word it says, keep in mind that it acknowledges Jesus as a Messiah and also Abraham. Islam is a combination of the Middle East's cultures, Judaism, and Christianity. It has many unique beliefs and you should not put them down.

Jihad translates to "Struggle" in English, not Holy War. Its original meaning was to struggle to be a good Moslem, not to attack someone and force your religion upon them, like the Christian Crusades did.

[Geosgaeno]

i smell danger here!!!

[Galthol]

maybe if we ignore them the ghosts of old debates will stay in their graves. maybe.

[SeymourGuado]

Ghosts stay as ghosts if people don't seek to bring back arguments.

If the good qur'ran is such an inspiration that it drives people to blow other people to atoms all over the world, to go crazy over a few cartoons and to threaten british people with execution every time they disagree with something non-shia law then, my friend, you know where you can shove that inspiration don't you!

I cannot and will not post here. I will just state for the record though Crmy, that you are wrong and I totally disagree with your post.

Join me in MSN dlpb@hotmail.co.uk.

[Kilu]

Locked for obvious reasons.