Suikoden Discussion

[eViL bAz]

This thread is more to know what you think about the Suikoden Saga I want to know in your opinion which pro and contras have so feel free to post

[Kilu]

Well, the first Suikoden was awesome game. Sure, the graphics were a bit outdated, and there wasn't even a different running animation for the hero. Seemed like a halfassed game when graphics are considered. Rest of the game however is a pure gem.

Suikoden 2 would have been a better game if there would not have been the first game. But as a sequel it was nothing all that special. Sort of like upgraded first Suikoden. It offered nothing new, just a facelift to the original game. I know that the story is based on some old folklore or whatever about the posse of 108, but some more variation would not have hurted the story.

Haven't played the third one.


Oh and btw eViL bAz, could you make your signature smaller? It's kind of weird to see posts where signature has more text than the actual post :ponder:

[eViL bAz]

GOTCHA!!!!!! :D I agree with you but with one exception the 2nd one was as good and has a mor firm story and with a lot of things to tie, (but a bad transalation) cuz the first one it was sssssooooooooooo Linear (ok I know that u would say but 2nd one was too linear) but give you more options and sidequest that make the game interest and like you side updated the info of the 1st one, that is my opinion of course :D

[jetblue]

The first is my favorite.
I wish they would remake suikoden 1 for the ps2 and make it 3D like suikoden 3. That would be awesome.

I could'nt get all the stars for 2. Extreamly difficult. Even with the strategy guide. Have you guy's seen how much suikoden 2 and the strategy guide go for on e-bay. I loaned my strategy guide to a freind years ago and he lost it.
I could kick my self.


You have'nt played 3 yet kilu?
I have 2 dvd burned copy's. If you want I can send you onehttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/smile.gif. Just PM me with a place to send it and Ill throw it in the mail tomarrow.
No mod-chip necessary. It can be loaded with the action-replay swap method.

[eViL bAz]

Hey jet i have a good FAQ from the 108 stars from suikoden 2 in order of appearence, if u want it i can send it by mail, also what u was saying about the suikoden 1 I think the same but for the 1 and 2 imagine the trinity sight system (well here it would be Dual Sight System hehehe) in the second one, imagine play with the Hero and at the other hand paly with Jowy and see what happend with him after the get separete ways and over the Dunan Unification Wars, don't you think? it would be cool like the ending in the 3rd one i got all 108 stars and play the last one with the DESTROYERS http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/bigeyes.gif

[Kilu]

You have'nt played 3 yet kilu?
I have 2 dvd burned copy's. If you want I can send you onehttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/smile.gif. Just PM me with a place to send it and Ill throw it in the mail tomarrow.
No mod-chip necessary. It can be loaded with the action-replay swap method.
The third one was never released in Europe, if it would have, I would have probably played it. What's this action-replay swap method you talk about?

[jetblue]

Thank's. I might take you up on that later eViLbAz because soon I will be playing all of the games again so I can get the stars from pt 1 save data and the stars from part 2 save data and see if It has any change in part 3. And mabey the save data will be used in part 4. But right now Im trying to finish other games like snake eater and berserk wich are frustrating me.




Long live the Holy Kingdom Of Harmonia!

Post edited because it was way to long and mabey illegal.


There are many variations to the swap trick. Im sure you've seen the flip top console shell they use to sell. It did the exact same thing. And also there's a clip on modchip that goes on the eject switch that also does the same. Opens the drive door into fooling the machine.
These methods are popular because The new 39000 and higher series of consoles are extreamly difficult to mod if not imposible.
For the mother lode of ps2 consoles that load just about every game are the 30001-R series. Any older and you have the defective lazer issue.
I have done tons of reserch.http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Kilu]

:)
I don't have action replay or anything similar :) Oh well.

If I ever feel the need to play NTSC games I will probably mod the machine. Peteju does modding, maybe I should ask him :D

[eViL bAz]

Jet I think the saved game of GS3 is not going to enter in the 4 but I will cross my finger so it can, but i was think that in 5 it would be come in handy but anyway just tell me about the faq ok, cya, also just tell me baz ok :D

[Flyn]

I think the first one shouldn't be remade cause its 2D graphisms are part of it, it's what makes it unique, I think I wouldn't have the same pleasure re-playing it with new remade 3D graphics http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/wave.gif

[eViL bAz]

your right but, maybe no 3D models maybe a little arrangment in the graphic withouit changing the 2D enviroment I think it would be cool dont you think

[Flyn]

Yes, I think redoing the graphics in a nicer 2D without losing the spirit could not harm the game ;)

[eViL bAz]

hehehe now we get a poitn about that. Lets write a letter to konami and say " hey dudes me and flynn want a remake game of GS1 so plz start now but remember just improve the 2D grhapics" ~Yeah Right~ hehehehehe lol but it would be cool anyway a good dream

[eViL bAz]

ok now we change the name of the thrad to suikoden discussion so we can talk more deeply about the game what you think give me your opinion

[eViL bAz]

Ok now its only few days for the realease of the Suikoden IV I have great expectation about it and hope that Konami do good job like always

[jetblue]

A few days? Now im excited.
Do you know if its going to be released here or japan or the same time? Or is it already out in japan? Im so out of touch. I thought it wasnt going to be out till fall.

[Charon]

How could I resist.

Suikoden #1

Mind blowing from the start. The thought of 108 characters at one's disposal, surely the games greatest selling point. Add to that the refreshingness of a 16 bit graphic world in the age of 32 and I was lured into it's retroness. The ambient sound again is nice and backwards, and very Japanesy. As a lover of all things Japanese that and the names appealed to me, especially the in game "nouveau" of the french villages renamed by the twisted Milich Oppenheimer. The enemy was awesome, the "behind the scenes" bad guy was even better, giving one compassion over people such as Kwanda Rosman. But what really really made it for me, was that despite having 108 different characters, not to mention the NPCs, they managed to make each and every one of them unique, with their own stories, goals, and reasons for joining the Liberation army. This was further expanded with a brief ending for each and every one you'd recruited. Plus they brought us Clive, one of the coolest RPG characters ever.

Suikoden #2

First off, Luca Blight. Need I say more? What a fantastically evil villain. It's always hard for a company to make the bad guy someone you really really hate, but this worked fantastically. And the triple fight scene against him re-enforces just how powerful this guy is. A true masterpiece of character creation. The 108 stars again, all unique, even if some were from the previous game, this just made me like them more. The Star Dragon Sword making a second appearance was cool too. Neclord appearing again excited me at first, but I felt let down at how easy he was, he was after all the hardest boss in Suikoden #1. The unique unite system was still there, a godsend if ever there was one. The graphics, despite an upgrade, were still nicely retro to the eye. One or two characters could have used more padding, but the extra attention to clive was more than welcome. Richmond's theme music still makes me smile with delight, a beautiful piece. A little let down by the ending, and can;t touch the original, but still very very enjoyable. It's seen plenty of playtime in my machine.

Suikoden #3

Not played, hope to do so at some point.

[eViL bAz]

A few days? Now im excited.
Do you know if its going to be released here or japan or the same time? Or is it already out in japan? Im so out of touch. I thought it wasnt going to be out till fall. Ok Jet In Japan cames out since June or July of 2004 in Europe I think it would come out in the next month maybe february or March, here in America comes out in January 11 ssssssoooooo cccllloosssseee!!!!!!!!! and with pr-order in amazon with send it to you the 9 of January hehehehe

Charon I agree with you about the 2 games, such story, such music , such JJJEEAAANNNEEE!!!!o.O, also if you like the both you also would love the third one, if you live in america or in Japan I recomend it to you buy it but I think only online its available.

AWFULLL UPDATE: For some stupid mistake I cancel my Suikoden IV order and when I re-pre-orderer it would come until 22 of january http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/bawl.gif, but I re ordere with EBgames I recomendit cuz they send to you an artwork of the game completly free so it wasnt a toll waste

[eViL bAz]

Ok maybe its double post but I dont think so cuz I writte the first one the 01/06/05 and this its from now so its not double posting hehehehehe. well anyway back to topic, my good SUIKODEN IV its already realeased and my order its already ship today, there has to be 2 or 3 days so can arrive from US to mexico when I reacived it I will post some info and some pics ok? OOOOOOOHHHHHHHH MMYYYYYYYY EEEVVVVVIIILLLNNNEEEESSSSS!!!!!! the wait itsSSSSSS KKIILLLIINNGGG MMEEE!!!!

UUUPPDAATTTEEEE: I HAVE IT, I HAVE IT, I HAVE It, I HAVE IT, I HAVE IT, I HAVE IT, I HAVE IT ok let me show you some pictures, 2 of the Artbook and 2 Of the Case ok cya

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/eViL_bAz/artbookSUIKO4FRONT.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/eViL_bAz/FRONTCASESUIKO4.jpg

[Jalk]

I've only been playing Suikoden I and II (the only ones that had been realeased in France... Yes, I'm a Frenchie ^_^) and I'm really found of them. Suikoden is one of the few games where you have always something to discover.
The second one is my favourite, I think it is the one where the character's personnality are the most intersting even if Jowy is the video game character I hate the most, along with Ramza from FFTactics.

[eViL bAz]

What do you think if I put A sumarie of Suikoden 3 in this thread for all those who cant play it, he? give me your opinion

[Kilu]

Well, anyone who really wanted to know what happens in the game can probably find couple dozen summaries over the internet already anyway, so I wouldn't see the point. Do as you please though, I don't really care either way.

[eViL bAz]

hehehe ok Kilu youre right but I will wait for others opinion, cuz maybe Like you said they find a lot of info in the net but anyway, thanks KIlu ;)

[eViL bAz]

well its a lot of time since the last post but here Iam I finish SUIKODEN 4 and its a good Game EXCELLENT music but its not so much music, good face graphics but I rather prefer the 3rd one in that aspect, EXCELLENT story, and the end its something AWESOME so those who have it and if you have some question JUST ASK ME :dance: cya

[ckonze]

What do you think if I put A sumarie of Suikoden 3 in this thread for all those who cant play it, he? give me your opinion
Please don't for my sake. I'm gonna finish up Suikoden II and start up Suikoden III tomorrow. I don't want to run across your summary and accidently read a spoiler.

[eViL bAz]

OK I will not doit then but Where are the SUIKO FANS, Here theres only Jet, CKonze and me and thats a little come on

[Seys]

I actually loved Suiko 1 and 2.
Nice plot, music and colorful world.

Suiko 3 dissapointed me big time.

Suiko 4 is the worst of the saga IMO, everything just suck in this game, lenght, music, world, characters, plot ( what a joke ) ... in one word, boring.

No wonder it didn't work that well in japan.

[eViL bAz]

well I respect your opinion Seys but I think 3 was good and 4 was soso but I love them lol Must of all the plot hehehe of the 3rd one for me was amazing, not so much like the 2nd but was entertaining and 4th i take it as a BIG sidequest so..... hehehe

[Tribulator]

Well, the first had the charm and I didn't see that in the second one, though the second had an outstanding story with great follow through. And as for the third, what can I say. It felt like Suikoden III was rushed. Now I don't know if others get the same sense as I do. And IV seems too fragmented, but I like the duels, which are outstanding, and the naval battles, which is like playin Battleship(and I loved that game).

[eViL bAz]

Well like I said before Suiko 4 is more like a Big Sidequest instead of a complete game, this to make us understand more about the past of certains charachters and also to know the Punishment Rune so I think is Cool also the Field Battle in a battleships is great I love it also the music is great, bout 3 I must say that the story was complex and interesting I want to know more and more it was awesome to discover all the plot and to see the true end at the "end" hehehehe.

NNNNEEEEWWWWWSSS!!!!!!!!!!!

It has being announced the Released Date of the (for me) so waited :

GENSO SUIKODEN 4 OST

The release Date has been put for 01 JUNE of 05

Genso Suikoden IV Original Soundtrack

Catalogue Number KOLA-102~3
Release Date June 01, 2005
Publisher Konami Media Entertainment
Price 3500 Yen

This info is given by Game Music Revolution Online, so I cant wait to have it in my pc :p

[eViL bAz]

Well Guys it seems that this thread it has not much poupularity but I like to Infrom that SUIKODEN V is already cooking, In different websites has already say that some actor are already working in so we have to cross our fingers :D

[eViL bAz]

*evil baz make a rebirth spell over this thread and bring it to life again*

IT IS ALIVE!!!!!


Well I I state in the pat post this thread has not much movement, but with the new comer we can revive this......Oh and it wasnt Suikoden V it is Suikoden: Rhapsodia, a Suikoden IV secuel so it would be interesting play Suikoden in Tactics format ^^

[ckonze]

Rhapsodia. I certainly hope a release is seen in this hemisphere.

[eViL bAz]

Yeah Ckonze it is supposed to come out here, cuz the Name was copyrighted for Konami in the USA so it is a good possibility also all the Tactics euphoria in America is something that Konami would take advantage ^^, Good to see you again Friend hope to hear more about you ^^

[Lance Alvein]

by the time it comes out, I'll hopefully have a ps2 again, so I'll be able to get it...

[pikatsu]

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[Kaze Nigai]

-GensoSuikoden
Firm story, and told almost equaly as well!
Note on the art: It was rushed, thus the reason for such little detail.

-GensoSuikoden II
First one I played in the series. I fell instantly in love with this one. The characters to this game seemed much more lovable in this one than any of the others. Alot of in depth sidequests for some of the character, and more than enough mystry left to leave you begging Konami for more.

-GensoSuikoden III
Rather dissapointing. Nothing about this game really compelled me to keep going. It also took away the final boss being far stronger than anything you've faced as of yet. The three way story, didn't compell me much...but I guess I've never really liked change. So I can't be too critical since they were trying to bring this cult classic out of the dark.

-GensoSuikoden IV
I haven't finished, I'm at the very end but I have one HUGE compaint; the horrible control of the ship.

-SuikoGaiden
http://www.suikosource.com <-If you want to read them.
They were text based RPGs really, but they both Follow Nash, after the Gate Rune Wars, and during the Dunan Unification War. ((He's about 23 or 26, as opposed to being 4x in GSIV)) The stories is fun to follow, I'd love to import a PSX and these games.

-Suikoden Card Battles
...Trends getting a little out of hand, that's all I know.